podcast all the time. i have two boys, the oldest of which is 13. i m unconvinced the best path to success is a college degree. that doesn t mean i won t send them to college, encourage college. i know the stats, if you get a degree you will have this type of economic success in life. increasingly, to your point, todd, a college degree is totally disconnected from reality what they re learning what they re taught is indoctrination. it is theoretical, it is good brain exercise but there are a lot of things you can do in this world, not just dirty jobs, entrepreneurial jobs, start something, do something, get to work building a business, to building your life. it doesn t always have to come hand in hand with some esoteric degree. carley: will, you re absolutely right. especially, on both fronts but your point about the fact that this has nothing to do, canceling student loan debt has nothing to do with the pandemic especially going into the third year of the pandemic, we re in a