they have over $400 million in loan guarantees for the federal government. turns out, according to the new york times, they don t deliver what they promise. yeah. i m going to stay away electric that issue right now for a little bit. what i am gog say is, yes, we are seeing a lot of waste and i do think there is a lot of room to streamline that waste. but i don t think we should be cutting off all green spending. going back to president obama and what he pitched this week in his state of the union speech, he s talk being a $2 billion clean energy transportation fund. yes, he talks about electric vehicles. i have my issues with those. but he s also talking about going back to steve s point, natural gas and domestically produced biofuel. if we want to compete against on the world stage, against china or india or brazil, then we need to be look at those areas. we need in the gas. i wish he would tell the epa that. rich, what about the argument that rick made, which is we re always h