The government, but the american people are actually the bosses, right? they work for us. and if we have questions about why they are not able to get security clearances, why they are lying about their ability to get security clearances, they have to answer to us. and we these are people who aren t just pushing papers in the white inhouse. jared is just overseas in six middle eastern countries last week including saudi arabia, where he met with mbs. if this guy can t get a security clearance and we re being lied tonc repeatedly about the fact that he couldn t get a security clearance and whye he couldn t get a security clearance, i have a big issue with that and they need to be transparent with the american people about what happened and why they continue to lie aboutha it. and just to pick up on something emily said, the worst thing that can happen isn t that they lied. the worst thing that can happen is unknown. only the intelligence community knows the worst thing that could hap
And when theyhe refused, he didt anyway. the white house gavee their usl response when asked about the reporting. we don t comment on security clearances. ron klain and the table are back. emily? this is a maddening story for me. particularly because it speaks to everything that s wrong with havingg family members in the white house and why it was illegal for 50 years, until trump s lawyers determined that it was perfectly okay to have two of his closest family members in the white ishouse. i wasme speaking to a defender ivanka and jared over the weekend about this issue. and the person said to me, look, so, this is the president s right to determine who gets a security clearance, and that is true.ne so the worstan thing that they d was maybe the president publicly lied aboutth it, maybe ivanka publicly lied about it, but so what, this is totally withinbu e president s powers to do this. and this iswe the fundamental problem with how ivanka and kushnerva have operated when they re in
Re read off or testify to in congress, we will find out about that. we will learn that. let s use a little common sense, and joyce touched on this about michael s mindset going into the testimony. if michael could have never done this, he would have been thrilled to do it because he can only lose. this is a guy looking at three years jail time. he s looking at three years and a day. one slight untruth new charges. new charges. do you think this guy is going to lie? he said, oh, by the way, the most pivotal moment of all, the president had me make edits. would he make that up? it defies any logic. i remember emily talking about edits. it s interesting how emily talks about the chain of events in the last few days. emily has spent a lot of time
It s a distinction. the president can do lots of things that, in fact, would not be in the national interest. and as far as security ron klain, i want to bring you back in. you know how triggered i am by this story. what s also clear from a former staffer s point of view is that john kelly and don mcgahn operated as a block, as a conscience, and they were not happy about the, way that the president oversaw or lack thereof, his children. yeah, i mean, look, i think that for john kelly and don mcgahn to right contemporaneous memos as they did about jared, perhaps also about ivanka, we don t know yet, to stand up to the president and say, these people can t have security clearances, there must have been something very, very bad there for the chief of staff and the white house counsel to go to the wall and tell the president that his family members could not be trusted with our nation s greatest secrets. and so one issue is the issue emily is raising, which is, like, the lying abou
There s more we should be doing and we can do it. you re involved in a lot of the work being done. i want to get to that in a moment. i want to take you back. it s difficult to watch mr. martinez. you can see his anger, his pain, his anguish. you got a phone call some seven years ago. give us an idea of what that was like to know that your child was in harm s way. well, you know, it s just indescribable and very difficult for any parent to get any call about their child. i recall the moment that my phone rang and i answered it. emily said, hi, mommy, i ve been shot. it sent my family down a path of recovery that we re still on today. it s thinking about the families whose loved ones were killed is just horrific. i recall so much pain and devastation witnessing from a front row seat that pain and devastation. i thank god every day that emily