re read off or testify to in congress, we will find out about that. we will learn that. >> let's use a little common sense, and joyce touched on this about michael's mindset going into the testimony. if michael could have never done this, he would have been thrilled to do it because he can only lose. this is a guy looking at three years' jail time. he's looking at three years and a day. one slight untruth -- >> new charges. >> new charges. do you think this guy is going to lie? he said, oh, by the way, the most pivotal moment of all, the president had me make edits. would he make that up? it defies any logic. i remember emily talking about edits. it's interesting how emily talks about the chain of events in the last few days. emily has spent a lot of time