president for eight years. the other question, bernie sanders and warren, both at 14%, you really actually have a divided democratic party. it s just that the folks who aren t with joe biden haven t settled on a single candidate. d.c. are truly divided who is the best to beat donald trump. i think older democrats tend to believe that answer is joe biden but younger democrats are not sold. not just that they think i want a candidate more liberal on this issue, i think there are a lot of younger democrats i talk to who truly don t believe joe biden is any more electable than elizabeth warren or bernie sanders or kamala harris or nib else. they have to sort it out. an interesting question. you think act the fact biden has run on electability. a lot of polls the last few months, it s true bernie sanders does beat donald trump in