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Transcripts for CNN The Situation Room With Wolf Blitzer 20240604 22:22:00

But the other codefendant car log de oliveira was not arraigned, because he doesn t are a florida attorney. we re told by florida defense attorneys that there are concerns about going paid and it s fraught with concerns. and of course, all of these problems about retaining counsel also had the added impact, and for them, a benefit of delaying here and there, and that all adds up. paula, stay with us. i also want to bring in eli hoenig. the special counsel wants to start this on january 2nd. what kind of complications would there be starting then? wolf, that s an ....

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Transcripts for CNN The Situation Room With Wolf Blitzer 20240604 22:04:00

This case as a broad conspiracy, they have to show that he knew there was no fraud. it s the earliest point in time where we have proof that donald trump knew, acknowledged, even celebrated this election was safe and secure. you combine that with testimony from certain aides where they at times acknowledged he lost the election, and at other times was advised by reliable sources there was no fraud. andrew, investigators also asked witnesses about whether trump possibly retaliated against top officials who contradicted his election lies. we know one top department of homeland security official, chris krebs, was fired. how do you read that? i think it goes to the same comments eli was making. intent will be a key element at least of the three statutes we ....

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Transcripts for CNN The Situation Room With Wolf Blitzer 20240604 22:08:00

Indictment with mr. trump in the event that one comes down. it s possible to indict him for conspiracy with an unindicted co-conspirator, but that would be a tactically very challenging thing to do. i think people would not accept it. so someone from his inner circle will end up playing that role, most likely as an indicted co-con co-conspirator. it could be anybody from that circle. i would expect they are talking to their lawyers frequently and wanting to see how this all plays out for them. we will find out. eli, grand jury activity will go on, we re told, for weeks. walk us through why a trump indictment could still come at any time? a prosecutor can indict and continue investigating in the grand jury. the only restriction on that is once you get an indictment, you can only use the grand jury as ....

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Transcripts for CNN The Situation Room With Wolf Blitzer 20240604 22:06:00

What that will look like. they are reading the scam tea leaves and reports that we are looking at, but they are telling me they re going from business as usual in running a campaign. they were meeting all day long, having conversations about what you would in a normal presidential campaign the budgeting scheduling. he s hosting ohio lawmakers at his club tonight, then going to a fund-raisers in louisiana tomorrow. a lot of how they do this ask they already believe they have a playbook for what this indictment process looks like, given that we have already gone through two of these. eli, the special counsel has what is described as a trove from bernie kerik. what is the significance of that in terms of trying to find fraud. i think this is the flip side of the intent issue, which is ....

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Transcripts for CNN The Situation Room With Wolf Blitzer 20240604 22:03:00

We know they have asked questions about this meeting to at least one witness, who described the mindset of the former president. he was listening to his experts at a certain point, and then later on disregarded those very experts. again, we don t know if this will play any role in any potential charges, but certainly something that jack smith and his team have been digging in on. evan, thank you very much. i want to bring in kristin holmes, who s in new jersey covering donald trump. also with us, andrew mccabe, and eli hoenig. eli, i ll start with you, how does this meeting help special prosecutors piece together donald trump s mindset? it is all about intent, all about showing what was inside donald trump s mind. if prosecutors tend to charge ....

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