being a tough law and order judge. he wasn t some democratic activist but insisting on the truth was really important and we went ahead with criminal prosecutions of a ton of people in the white house, people close to the administration, sort of the equivalents of the roger stone types, and i think that was important to show that the system would bring justice. now, gerald ford pardoned richard nixon, but he pardoned him on a criminal charge which shows in a sense that the criminal justice system was willing to go right to the top and would have indicted nixon in 1974-75. so i think the criminal you want to be wary about using about weaponizing the criminal justice system, the justice department, the courts, but i think if on the merits necessary it has to be done and i think what we ve seen with the oath keepers indictment and these electors, the trump electors forgeries, the fraudulent slates they submitted, the collusion to