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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 06:45:00

Hadn t seen larry s stories about the black widow. and so, when philippine authorities called her and told her that sonia had a previous husband, and that he was murdered, too. it was a huge shock. when i heard that, i literally dropped to my knees. then, sherry called dennis bourdeau. the similarities were eerie. the same circumstance. the same street out executions. after they talked, she felt even more certain sonia had also ordered larry s murder. did she kill larry for his money or was she angry at him? or both? she was not going to let him walk away. and she was a woman who needed control and that would certainly jeopardize that. not to mention the money. and so, for a second time, sonia was in line to inherit a murdered husband s estate. including a big life insurance payout. ....

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 07:15:00

What did she do to those two husbands of hers? and who killed her? and why? a few days after sonia s death, several fbi agents showed up at dennis bourdeau s house. i came home from work, and there was cars parked. at the ends of the alley. they went by my garage. i pulled my truck in, and i thought, what s going on? they asked me if i knew sonia risken, and i said, no. who? sonia risken? they asked me if i knew sonia bourdeau, and i said, yeah. they said if you had the opportunity to kill her, would you? i said in a heartbeat. probably not the wisest thing to say to the fbi. it made him an instant subject. the fbi questioned her, and he had an alibi. they cleared him. ....

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 07:19:00

Are some things that are very suspicious about the way you act. he didn t exactly pass the polygraph. you have an email account bearing his name. yeah, wasn t good for him? correct. especially with sonia s own relatives lining up to accuse him, and leading the charge was the one sonia received gear more than our own son, the great nephew called her grandma, eric delacruz. he kept insisting john bourdeau did it. he had to do it. he s a bad guy. he s a drug guy. he did it. eric was determined to get justice for his beloved grandmother sonia. he even paid a visit to her neighbor, jim townsend, looking for these. he was distraught. he had tears in his eyes and a quivering voice. his voice was like, do you know anyone, do you know killed my grandma? the more eric does, the more certain he was was that sonya s own son was the killer. ....

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 07:20:00

And he called and met the detectives office during his insight. my grandma died. right on, man. do you think her son did this to her? [inaudible] and maybe eric was right about john bourdeau. he kept insisting, no one else had the motive, the means and the opportunity to kill sonia, other than her very own son. why didn t you arrest john bourdeau? he s the guy who discovered the body. he is the guy who was standing with this woman there wasn t one thing that jumped out, that kind of crossed that bridge, that we would arrest him. sometimes, it s better to take your time, to be in communication with folks. and maybe, let them, let their anxiety level go down a little bit, kind of lay in the weeds, so to speak, so that you can do your investigation, and you can confirm things. ....

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 07:39:00

Virginia. and they had another little talk. time to play the email card. those extortion emails he sent to sherry. so, now we know, without a shadow of a doubt, you are sending to john bourdeau emails. [inaudible] and this is undisputable thing. eric this is the most important day of your life. [inaudible] they knew that but they didn t rush. they said they tracked a cell phone, as he drove from that navy base in virginia, back to his home in california. and there is where they slapped on the handcuffs, and rodriguez had one more chat with his former investigator partner. when i walked up to him, i pulled him. you are under arrest. how did he take it? he just kept kind of mumbling to me that i had the wrong person. ....

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