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MSNBC MSNBC Live With Ali Velshi December 25, 2019 20:57:00

jermeir would tell me the truth, but you had to ask it. he wasn t volunteering anything? absolutely not. reporter: they interviewed jermeir both at the greensboro pd and over the phone. and each time a little bit more information would emerge, including what happened after he and shannon ended their romantic relationship. following their breakup, about a year before denita s murder, jermeir said he went on a church retreat. there his pastor encouraged him to apologize to anyone he had wronged. so jermeir called shannon. he said i apologize in great detail about everything that he s sorry for. he said, i was on the phone for 12 hours. my cell phone went dead. i charged it i mean, had it plugged in. and we talked until i fell asleep. 12 hours. apologizing. ....

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MSNBC MSNBC Live With Ali Velshi December 25, 2019 20:56:00

Regardless of what department they re in. there are always that few, not many. reporter: to the contrary, assistant district attorney david saacks, who was assigned to prosecute, says he was extra careful in building his case against shannon precisely because jermeir was a police officer. i needed to make sure that everything was done by the book and we vetted everything as well as we could, and delved into everything as deep as we could because he was a cop. because if you clear him, you know you re going to get that criticism. absolutely. we ended up having to have several different interviews with jermeir. and each time we would get maybe a little something more. and so it took a little while sometimes to pull all that stuff out. reporter: investigators say he appeared devastated. jermeir stroud insisted he had no idea that his secret romance might place denita in danger. but detective pate still thought jermeir was not entirely forthcoming. ....

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MSNBC MSNBC Live With Ali Velshi December 25, 2019 20:58:00

sorry for everything. interesting that he talked to shannon about it but not denita. of course not. she didn t know that there was something he needed to apologize for. reporter: but pate believes all that apologizing to shannon may have jump-started something else. that s where the relationship kind of picked up again. because there were a lot of feelings that were shared. so they start talking again. exactly. reporter: jermeir insisted he and shannon did not become romantic or sexual again. but clearly there was something. he was always there for shannon. if shannon was distraught or wanted to call in the middle of the night, you know, and knew that jermeir was working, she would call him and he would put up with it. maybe he didn t want to be the bad guy? maybe didn t want to be the bad guy. he doesn t see that he s leaving the door open. as long as you keep doing all the things that a boyfriend would do, then in her mind she still has a chance. there s sti ....

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MSNBC MSNBC Live With Ali Velshi December 25, 2019 20:55:00

Now her family was mourning, too. it s devastating, the fear that you have at that point for your child. and no one can convince me that my child did that. i know her. reporter: shannon s dad, himself a former deputy sheriff, was convinced his daughter was a victim of a shoddy investigation by the durham police, perhaps deliberately so. i m not saying that they framed her. i m saying that they simply allowed themselves to be led in that direction. and if they had any suspicions that another police officer was involved, they decided not to follow that up. you were in law enforcement. you cover up crimes by other officers? no, i never did. and what you re suggesting is that durham cops, who didn t even know jermeir, looked away from a murder committed by a guy who worked for another department in another city? they re risking prison time for this guy they don t even know? cops will protect other cops ....

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MSNBC Dateline Extra November 29, 2019 07:55:00

Allowed themselves to be led in that direction. and if they had any suspicions that another police officer was involved, they decided not to follow that up. you were in law enforcement. you cover up crimes by other officers? no, i never did. and what you re suggesting is that durham cops, who didn t even know jermeir, looked away from a murder committed by a guy who worked for another department in another city? they re risking prison time for this guy they don t even know? cops will protect other cops regardless of what department they re in. there are always that few, not many. reporter: to the contrary, assistant district attorney david saacks, who was assigned to prosecute, says he was extra careful in building his case against shannon precisely because jermeir was a police officer. i needed to make sure that everything was done by the book and we vetted everything as well as we could, and delved into everything as deep as we could because he was a cop. ....

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