government. so if you put good people like tom coburn in congress, jim demint and now jim jordan, mark meadows, there are good people in congress, they re working in a broken system. they cannot fix what ails the country. the founders gave us a remty, in article 5 of the constitution, they inserted the second clause, the power to call the states for the very purpose of proposing amendments to restrain government tyranny. when i say that, people say how do you know what the purpose was? we can look at madison s notes two, days before the end of convention, september 15, 1787, colonel george mason from virginia stands, addresses the assembly and says something like this. we have a problem with the document we created. we ve given power to congress but not to people, and asked a question, are we so naive that a government that becomes a tyranny will propose the rice
nope. no money. so we will see the pressure come to the american people because of the incompetency of the government that we have today outside of the rules that our founders intended and they will come on board to solve this problem. mark: you agree? i agree and i agree from a grassroots perspective. having been all across the country over the last couple of years, i see a rising tide of people concerned about the fundamentals in this country and mostly what they want to do, mark, is decide for themselves. this is a fight about who decides. washington, d.c. versus the people, the founders answer that question very clearly at the beginning of the constitution in big bold calligraphy. mark: the american people will decide their own fate. that s the bottom line. and you two gentleman are among the leaders of a movement showing them the way to do it. is there a solution? yes. embrace the constitution. yes. that s where the answer is.
the same people today who achieved the centralization of government who you have five justices who determine whether it is or not a fundamental right. bedamn the public. thousands of bureaucracies that passes thousands of laws where congress will pass hundreds and the conversations coming down from on high and let us get our liberty back, let us get our constitution back, let us participate in our government, and then we have people saying no, don t touch the constitution. is that about right? it s accurate and it s interesting because that movement to prevent people from using article 5 starts in about the 1970s after roe versus wade roughly. it comes from chief justice warren berger asked by a seminal figure on the left, phil schlafly and asked what you think about overturning the convention, asking about overturning roe versus wade. he doesn t like the idea and
amendments to restrain their own tyranny. they debated everything, right? not that. his notes say nin com, and unanimously they vote to put the second clause of article 5 that gives us the power. what they intended is the power to restrain a federal government run amok. that is the purpose of our efforts around article 5. call a convention, get the states together have, them propose amendments that will retrain federal tyranny. mark: isn t it true, dr. coburn, that this is what the states used to do? they used to meet, they used to have conventions, not constitutional conventions, conventions of the states, to resolve problems, to address issues, this is to practice, so to insert it in the constitution as mark meckler says is to counter the notion that only amendments can come from the federal congress, two-thirds of both houses and wasn t it mason who said what if congress is oppressive?
mark: so the progressive agenda including on the courts, they wrap themselves in constitutional language and say we must follow the precedent. but the precedent isn t always constitutional, is it? we have very many examples where the supreme court has not followed precedent. mark, as a lawyer, when i think back to law school days and justice kennedy was a professor at my law school when i was, there and one of the most interesting things is somebody asked me, mark, when you were in law school, did you read the constitution? i was offended by the question. mark: and we re going to get your answer in one second. mark, did you read the constitution in law school? i know my answer. don t forget, levin tv almost every week night. join us, you will enjoy our community there. crtv.com/mark, or give us a call, 844-levin tv. we ll be right back.