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Biggest exposure is this investigation in georgia about the lies that he told to perpetrate the fraud that he won the election. giuliani s office got exposure there. he s being investigated by the atlanta, georgia, district attorney and reportedly she s been calling people into the grand jury. and, again, that case, they have on tape. they got the lies that trump toldha on tape. you know, the other hand with all of these cases, no former president of the united states has ever been charged with a crimear after he left office.ef no one is going to charge a former president unless the evidence is air tight. unless it s a slam dunk case. so, we re still a long way away from any kind of prosecution of donald trump sr. t thank you for adding that context. we learned ath lot from talkingo you today. paul butler, thank you so much. coming up next. ....
Prosecutors sometimes think of these investigations as pyramid investigations. you start at thepy bottom and y work your way up to the top. and the bottom in this case, lindsey is really the corporation itself and next up on the pyramid would be allen weisselberg the chief financial officer. only people higher than him are donald trump sr. and his children.hi often when companies are charged with corporate crime, the middle managers are the people who get blamed. the folks at the top are insulated but we know power in the trump organization was very concentrated. just a few people. donald trump sr., his kids and allen s weisselberg. other than this case with the manhattan d.a., what other legal woes is trump potentially facing right now? how much time do we have? you know, i think the next ....
kerry is like, i m going to the only real evidence, the only real evidence that i m working is that i do have a cell phone. just about everybody else here would put their cell phone down on a cruise like this and say, i escaped the world. that s really what the challenge is, guys. to escape the world. part of escaping that world is feeling like you re on vacation from everything including the pandemic. wow. and clearly from that shot, you re socially distant from everything. kerry, continue with that research into mexico, my friend. yes, please do. thank you. former president donald trump and vice president kamala harris trading jabs just days apart from their respective visits to the u.s./mexico border. that s next. ....
President kamala harris visited el paso as she leads the biden administration effort to tackle the migrant crisis. the two sides taking shots at each other over the issue. they crippled i.c.e. and the border patrol. i ll tell you what, border patrol. these are incredible people. i.c.e., they re incredible people. i wouldn t want the job. i wouldn t want it. as you know, we inherited a tough situation. in fact, right here in el paso was the launch of the child separation policy. well, joining us now is el paso county commissioner and state representative rafael. welcome to both of you. dave, i want to start with you. as vp harris said el paso was the launch of trump s child separation policy. where do things stand right now in your city when it comes to that? we were ground zero for a lot of the terrible, terrible things that happened during the trump ....
They could not get allen weisselberg to cooperate and tell them whatwe they wanted to hear andm that s why they re going forward with the charges. the former president and his family have not been p charged. they deny any wrongdoing. let s bring in paul butler and former federal prosecutor and msnbc analyst. paul,ms good morning to you. good to see you. one question i have is why the organization itself can be, does that still mean that executives and employees can be charged personally and, also, how significant is this moment to have a former president s organization under indictment? good morning, lindsey and happy pride. thank you, paul. the investigation is focused on whether taxes were paid on w friends benefits that the corporation handed out. so, that s not the crime of the century. even if we re talking about extravagant benefits like in this case allegations that some ....