need some sort of independent check, i don t think any of us would want a system in which any fbi agent, any doj employee could simply obtain wiretaps and conduct surveillance. you need some sort of independent party, whether it s a judge, someone else, to look at it and make sure the evidence is there. can it be reformed? absolutely. are there problems with the fisa system as it currently exists? absolutely. harris: should it be secret? i think it should be secret to the extent that it needs to be secret. what i mean is by its very nature of a slave. you can t have a public statement coming out saying we are going to wire type such and such person s phones. i think it has to be secret. there s no reason that after the need for secrecy has evaporated, the material can be put in public view. harris: part of the issue of the problem, doesn t matter which party would do this, if
of congress do need to stand up to this president. he has trampled on so many norms and traditions. so i think it must occur. by the way, if you re a member of congress and you re running in a tough district, often times you need separation votes from the president candidly, to show you re not a rubber stamp. i tell you, having represented a swing or margin s district for a long time, you supperly cannot be seen as somebody who s just there as an extension of the executive branch. our system is broken right now. we used to have a system of separation of powers. now it s simply a separation of political parties, and it doesn t matter which party. seems the party that controls the white house, well, their congress members are out there to defend the executive branch and where it s gotten out of hand and saudi arabia is a great example where some have stood up and there will be more opportunities. another topic. you re aware of the horrible tragedy in new zealand.
is going to be put before mitch mcconnell. very simple. whose side are you on? i think that question defines our politics today, it will define 2020 as well. his party is running on draining the swamp. he supported a who said i am going to get the lobbyist out of your pockets. now they are not for hr1. they don t have a plan for anticorruption, for any of this. it s shocking. absolutely shocking. there is a bunch of stuff in hr1. public financing campaigns. there is an automatic voter registration nationally, which would be a huge change. a lot of states are doing it. new york is thinking about it. what to you is most important in this bill? well. it s viewed as a whole package. the aim of the bill is to change politics in this country because it seems like it doesn t matter which party is in control, it doesn t matter. we can t get things done like
in the 40s. so, really, we have a lot nor stability here in america than other parts of the world. neil: they don t know how to interpret is, i guess. kristin, i think in the end people forget that the longer this drags on doesn t matter which party is in power or whoo s to blame, people have a hell with both of you attitude. is there a chance that democrats overplay their arrow gants on this arrogance, they are convinced they have the upper hand and before they know it, they re getting clobbered in the polls? yeah, there s always that chance. i would agree 100% that everybody has a responsibility to come together and compromise on this issue. neil: but they re not remotely doing that. right, but you re right, at the end of the day, and, you know, the more time that the government has been shut down and hundreds of thousands of workers that aren t receiving paychecks are struggling to get by, this could hopefully come down on both parties.
i m one that did mean it. only way to believe it is be consistent against debt whether it s deck or republican. and that s a real problem is republicans have completely changed now and said a trillion dollar deficit was terrible under president obama but it s fine if it s a republican. and that s not going to wash with people. and really upsets me because there are many of us who truly are conservative, truly are worried about the debt but are consistent, doesn t matter which party is doing it, it s wrong, if it s wrong, it s wrong. and senator, look, i commend you for your consistency on this. let me give you a chance to explain something though that doesn t seem to fully add up because you are make thg argument. in december you voted for the tax cut which is projected according to republican numbers to add a trillion and a half dlaz to the national debt. so willing to add that, but now you are upset over $300 billion over the next two years. how is that not hypocritical? a couple