courtroom and said michael cohen is not really a lawyer is because they want to say those aren t really privileged lawyer tapes. well, if there are tapes or whatever the communications are, but ari, i want to set the stage for your viewers. this is important. imagine you are communicating with an individual that you believe is your lawyer and that you have privilege with. so you re free-wheeling in your communications with him because you think they re protected under the attorney/client privilege and you do this for a number of years as it relates to a number of hairy issues. one day the fbi kicks in the door, actually doesn t kick in the door. they knock. you re kucourteous. they raid his office in his home and obtain these communications. and you find out that s what terrifies him? matt apuzo who broke the story in the last ten minutes is joining me by phone. matt, michael was just walking through why donald trump s most candid conversations ever might