and talks ofjoining nato, yet its government is seen as sympathetic to russia. it s a diplomatic tightrope, and one my guest needs to walk. salome zourabichvili is the country s president. where does georgia s destiny lie with russia or the west? salome zourabichvili, welcome to hardtalk. thank you for having me for the third time. do you think that russia wants control of georgia? russia wants control of not only georgia, but probably parts of europe. it has its old ambitions and old aspirations of remaining as an imperialist state. but should we be thinking about what russia wants or what we want? well, the last time that you came on hardtalk, which was at a time when russia was on the back foot in ukraine, it was the end of 2022. you said you didn t think russia would invade georgia. the situation in ukraine looks very different now. and i wonder if you fear for georgia, particularly if president putin is successful in ukraine? well, i think that we should, again, all fe
..old ambitions and old aspirations of remaining as an imperialist state. but should we be thinking about what russia wants or what we want? well, the last time that you came on hardtalk, which was at a time when russia was on the back foot in ukraine, it was the end of 2022. you said you didn t think russia would invade georgia. the situation in ukraine looks very different now. and i wonder if you fear for georgia, particularly if president putin is successful in ukraine? well, i think that we should, again, all fear if president putin is successful in ukraine. but i don t think that he is successful in ukraine. he has been losing in ukraine all his first ambitions, strategic ambitions taking kyiv, dividing the government and the population, dividing ukraine from europe, dividing european between themselves, european with their populations. all of these big ambitions have not materialised. so, yes, he s not yet defeated strategically, militarily, but he is not victorious.
our senior international correspondent orla guerin sent this report from tel aviv. a warning that you may find some of the images in her report upsetting. a truce can t come soon enough. in rafah, another day of harrowing loss. palestinians mourn for 20 members of the abu ansa family, killed in their beds by an israeli air strike, according to hospital officials and gaza s civil defence. among the dead, five month old twins, as old as the war. they were laid down gently with their relatives. their mother spent ten years trying to have them and endured three rounds of ivf. now all she can cradle is their baby clothes. i gave birth during the war, she says. it started on saturday, i gave birth next friday. i didn t get enough of them, i swear i didn t get enough. i have no one else, she says. they have gone with their father. we were sleeping, i swear . israel continues to say it takes feasible precautions to lessen civilian harm. there were about 35 people in the hous
do you think that russia wants control of georgia? russia wants control of not only georgia, but probably parts of europe. it has its. ..old ambitions and old aspirations of remaining as an imperialist state. but should we be thinking about what russia wants or what we want? well, the last time that you came on hardtalk, which was at a time when russia was on the back foot in ukraine, it was the end of 2022. you said you didn t think russia would invade georgia. the situation in ukraine looks very different now. and i wonder if you fear for georgia, particularly if president putin is successful in ukraine? well, i think that we should, again, all fear if president putin is successful in ukraine. but i don t think that he is successful in ukraine. he has been losing in ukraine all his first ambitions, strategic ambitions taking kyiv, dividing the government and the population, dividing ukraine from europe, dividing european between themselves, european with their populations
salome zourabichvili, welcome to hardtalk. thank you for having me for the third time. do you think that russia wants control of georgia? russia wants control of not only georgia, but probably parts of europe. it has its. ..old ambitions and old aspirations of remaining as an imperialist state. but should we be thinking about what russia wants or what we want? well, the last time that you came on hardtalk, which was at a time when russia was on the back foot in ukraine, it was the end of 2022. you said you didn t think russia would invade georgia. the situation in ukraine looks very different now. and i wonder if you fear for georgia, particularly if president putin is successful in ukraine? well, i think that we should, again, all fear if president putin is successful in ukraine. but i don t think that he is successful in ukraine. he has been losing in ukraine all his first ambitions, strategic ambitions taking kyiv, dividing the government and the population, dividing ukr