country in question. let s get more from the dip thro diplomatic editor nic let me start wh we heard from the u.s. envoy. nato has been pretty unified in its position on ukraine. meanwhile russia sees ukraine joining nato as a red line. given this, nic, is there any ground for optimism here? reporter: the russians said after their talks in geneva that there was the potential for optimism, that they would remain optimistic. the kremlin spokesman said in the past couple of days that there was reason to keep going. the indication seems to be that it s a different deputy foreign minister here than the one who was sent to geneva for the talks with the u.s., alexander, the former russian ambassador to nato and he s heading up the delegation here. they brought with him deputy