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The russians were trying to cut valt and senior members of the trump campaign knew about it. senior members knew about it, but also didn t carter page all along he was sort of saying he was there giving a speech, talking to a man on the street, that wasn t thes. no, no, no, he had and he s been forced to acknowledge that he had encounters with senior russian officials. now, he continues to say this was meaningless and it wasn t about collusion and the things it said about him in the dossier are not true but nonetheless the account has significantly changed from when we first heard about this trip. ken, thank you so much. i need my panel. vanity fair special correspondent my friend bill cohen and msnbc contributor and executive editor of bloomberg view tim o brien. you know what i m going to start with, will burr ross. but, i mean, across the board, president trump can say russia, hoax, no connections, no connections, but whether we go will burr ross, don jr., paul manafor ....
I hate to be the kind of bad guest at the party though. i think there s a lot of problems in the fact pattern surrounding both carter paige and wilbur ross in terms of this investigation getting closer to the president. carter page, to use the president s own lexicon, is a whack job. if you read through his testimony i mean, that fishing hat he wears around washington. right, and he s changed his story a million times. he s nonlinear, to put it politely, in the way he describes his interactions with the russians and with the trump campaign. he fills in little gaps in the time line. i think ross is a more substantive problem for the trump administration around conflicts of interest. but whether or not it was illegal is a very debatable point. a lot of the stuff he was doing was perfectly legal. so that s it, a lot of the stuff he was doing may be unethical, it may be wall street s sleazyist, but it was legal. you ve got bloomen thul earlier ....
His meetings, perhaps his private utterances, than keith schiller. i can think of two episodes in particular that the lawmakers are going to want to ask schiller about. one would be that june 2016 meeting in trump tower that don sqr hosted with those russians. it s been reported that donald trump was in the tower that day. you imagine they want to ask did donald trump meet with his son after that meeting, by any chance did the russians bum noop donald trump? there s been no reporting of that but the question will be asked. the other thing i m sure they ll ask him about is of course the 2013 trump to moscow where donald trump was hosting the miss universe pageant. the most salacious allegations have to do with that trip and you can imagine schiller will be asked. i don t want to hear the answers. that trump tower meeting, that was a meeting about the orphans, right? right, no orphans. talk to me about carter page. i mean, when i have gone through first of all, the fake we continue t ....
Member of the trump campaign team, who goes and sits down, again, with no lawyer, i m stunned when he does it with chris hayes and, boom, he does it in front of lawmakers. what did we learn? well, we learned some very important things actually. it s long been known that carter page took this trip to moscow in july 2016. he was a trump campaign foreign policy adviser at the time. what he testified in the transcript that was released last night is that he cleared this trip with senior officials in the campaign, including corey lewandowski who was then the campaign manager and the person who is now director of communications, at the white house. help said he said he was taking trip. and when he got back, he sent an e-mail to another trump official j.d. gordon talking about the great insights he learned from meeting with russian legislators and members of the putin administration. so it s pretty clear that carter page, like george papadopoulos, was a volunteer campaign adviser ....