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Congressional democrats along with republicans liz cheney and adam kinzinger, the justice department and gop primary voters to be the final arbiters of trump s conduct. all that s done is put more pressure on our institutions. a deeply divided congress, a skittish justice department, a political party that s nominated trump twice as well as members who guessed correctly that there would be more damaging revelations to come. that s where we are. how are you feeling today about whether the skittish justice department or the republican party who in amanda s words is hearing from all trump insiders breaks or changes or does something different than they ve done for the last five years? yeah, i mean, i don t know what the justice department will do. as an attorney, i feel like there is so much basis for an investigation, but i do know that merrick garland is meticulous and careful and thoughtful, so these things will move more slowly than we want. ....
On the one hand, the committee is focused on filling out the historical record of the attempt to overturn the election and its violent conclusion. on the other, its members are laying out an unmistakable map to a potential criminal case against the former president and his allies and the justice department may soon get a much clearer picture of that map for a potential criminal case and bennie thompson dropped a significant bit of news after the hearing tuesday telling cnn that the committee has started producing information for the justice department regarding interviews that the committee has conducted. the january 6th select committee filling in the blanks on donald trump s potential criminal pull culpability is where we start the hour. also joining us carol leonnig for the washington post. former u.s. attorney barbara mcquade and former top official at the state department all msnbc contributors. you and your colleague ben ....
And you know, nicolle, when you were playing that opening package, i remembered an old bible verse where your treasure is there your heart will be. i think what we re seeing is people who are motivated by their own self-interest, by their own treasure. and whether that was power or proximity to power or career advancement or political advancement, those were the actors around donald trump from the time he came on the stage. and we know that the party leaders refused to reject him in 16, but they also refused to isolate him even as he served, right? the leaders on the hill never had to embrace the trump agenda. they certainly don t do that with the democratic president. they could have acted with relative autonomy and largely ignored some of the president s agenda, but they chose not to. they got into bed with him, and the reason why is obvious, because they would have lost what was important to them, power. which then leads us i think to a real fundamental question, a challenging one, ....
Helping him win. katrina pierson responded, you did what you felt right at the time, and therefore it was right. mr. parscale added, yeah, but a woman is dead and, yeah, if i was trump and i knew my rhetoric killed someone. when ms. peerson replied, it wasn t the rhetoric. mr. pascale said, katrina, yes, it was. they knew they got people to do these dangerous, violent things to mike pence, who he also worked for. when you work for the campaign you work for the top of the campaign, but they knew that those words and the lies killed somebody. and there s going back to the initial conversation, there s a couple types of enabling, right? there s the people who held the president, former president what he wants to hear about the conspiracy theories, and then there s the people who privately ....
Most violent individuals that we all know that are violent and that were standing back and standing by, and we know that those words were said and we know that they responded to that in full force and they started planning in full view, in plain view of all of the authorities. they weren t hide. they were planning on how to bring guns. they were planning on sharing information on how to enter the capitol. blueprints, floor plans, if you will. so this is what we saw on that day and it is being borne out right now by the january 6th hearings. when you hear the testimony of cassidy hutchinson who makes clear that trump knew not just who was there because as you said, he invited them, but what they were carrying, how they were armed. he was aware that there were ar-15s on flds in trees and he was informed according to ....