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We start in hong kong. 4:00 there. and you re seeing the pro democracy protest taking place. again, we have two very different demonstrations to tell you about. again the main protest has already started. thousands have come together in this district that is among the most crowded places in the world. in the meantime, supporters of the city s police are holding their own rally in victoria park. cnn of course live in hong kong where our correspondents are covering all sides of these protests. matt rivers is with the pro democracy group and ben wedeman following the pro police event. matt, let s start with you. again, there is always that difference between sanctioned and unthinks aed protests. and what we re seeing right there on this day, these are ....