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Out of russia, because they re not just attacking us, they shut down the irish health care system. we need international norms. third, we need to have more transparency. there s going to be a debate about whether these companies should pay ransomware. there ought to be more transparency if a company does pay so we can go after the bad guys. you pre answered a couple questions i have. i want to pick up on the last point. should we make it illegal to pay ransoms? many people think this is a simple solution, right? you don t pay the ransoms, the attacks will stop coming. well, i think that s a debate worth halving. i m not sure what the answer is at this point. the alternative, if you shut down a system and in the case of colonial pipeline, we saw, even after they paid the ransom, it took five days. but what we should make sure, as we have that debate, let s make sure if companies do pay, there s transparency to those payments. ....

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