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A house caucus members-only meeting at 4:00 p.m. this will be one of the agenda items with trade and the president s efforts to ratify a nafta 2.0 and whether the speaker tlaptd muscle behind it. do you anticipate a lot of this will be hashed out tomorrow? well, i would hope so in this sense. i think we need to have a discussion about what impeachment really is. your prior guest, i believe his name was david, he made an important point when he said that this is political. if we are going to make this a trial where you have to have guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, clear and convincing evidence, we re doing the constitution a disservice. they didn t intend for us to have a criminal offense. this is misdeeds we re witnessing, and they made it possible for us to impeach a president for his misdeeds. ....
Citizen couldn t commit, but it really does echo the demanding a thing of value in exchange for the performance of an official act. in my district, the former mayor of detroit was convicted of an extortion scheme that was very similar. he would withhold contracts, public works contracts that were worth millions of dollars unless he got a demand met and received a thing of value, that was his friend getting put on all these contracts, to cash in on some of the proceeds of those contracts. i see this in a very similar way with parallels to bribery and extortion. unlike the kinds of crimes mueller ruz investigating of obstruction, there is reference to be right back in the institution as a grounds for impeachment explicitly. david, one wrinkle that is also interesting, the oath of office, this little detail about ....
congressman julian castro who sits on the intelligence committee, thank you very much for your time tonight. thank you. joining me for more on the implications of president trump s actions, barbara mcquade, msnbc legal alice. david lean heart, new york times op-ed columnist. several undisputed facts about president trump, including pressuring a foreign leader to interfere in the election and he urged a foreign country to intervene in the 2016 presidential election. barbara, let me start with you. the infraction seems to be bigger than the law because it s the kind of thing that really only the president could do. so the laws as we think of normal statute tory laws, i don t know they don t envision intimida intimidating a foreign leader. how how did you do you see this in legal terms. this is an act an order ....
Admissible to prove that s what you re doing in this instance. what s interesting about it, is sometimes they say there s dejong like insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and getting the same result. this is insanity that makes you crazy like auto fox because they are doing the same thing over and over again and it s been working. at some point one hopes that the strategy, people begin to see through it and it no longer works. david? yes. oh, i think it s clear from trump s behavior and some of the things people around him have said, he doesn t want to be impeachment. yes, 100% agree with that. this is a political this is not going to be a legal proceeding. this is going to be a political battle. and so i think democrats should ask themselves, if president trump doesn t want to be impeached and they believe he s a threat to the well-being of this country, as they do and they should, doesn t that suggest that impeachment might, in fact, be the right move for th ....
In if trump is doing this thing now, uncover dirt on an opponent with the election more than a year away, what s he going to be willing do to do in september 2020? i want to bring in michelle goldberg with the new york times. former congresswoman elizabeth holtsman. and david scrojolly, former republican from georgia who since left the party. michell michelle, this feels qualitatively different than things that came before. why it you think? i think people who have been resistant to impeachment so far is starting to find nancy pelosi s position untenable. until now, there s been a couple different lines from people who want to avoid impeachment. they ve either said that we have to protect the frontline members, right, at this isn t making them do this will endanger them. that changes when the frontline members, themselves, start coming out for impeachment then there s been this argument that you ll sometimes hear from ....