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mall on a saturday. there is an orderly exit which means that whatever they were worried about, whether it was an active shooter or whatever else, has been disabled or is not presently a threat. people don t seem to be running. and then we wait. the waiting is, of course, the search of the shopping mall to determine what noise was this, why were so many people talking about an active shooter. and in a soft and rich target. these are soft targets. they have to be. and they re also rich in the sense, there are lots of people in a mall on a saturday. and here we are. you can see just dozens and dozens, easily hundreds of people in an orderly fashion being escorted out of mall. but tom verna, i want to go back to you. not only do 37 the mall but we can see there are hundreds of cars there as well. so when law enforcement responds to something like this, how do you factor that there are hundreds of places potentially this person could hide in the parking lot as well? yeah, thi

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