At the start of this event as thousands of people remember those caught up in saturdays tach. There will be speeches and people coming through because of the day with flowers, their own tributes and whilst we wait for the first of the speakers, it is worth returning to the breaking news that the bbc understands that khuram butt from barking was involved in the terrorist attack. The police have said they know the identity of all three, but the investigation is in rates have continued into the early hours of this morning. There were two more raves with more people being detained and they had picture of 27 year old khuram butt from barking in east london. The bbc understand that he was one of the three people involved in the attack. One of the three people shot dead by police as they responded. Throughout the course of the day we have been learning more about the victims of the attack with one of those people involved there on your screen. The names and identities of those caught up names
there s no sense they re competent to do that, but that s what they bought and now they got it. there s a couple of issues, joy. there s the counterterrorism issue and the future of afghanistan with the taliban. the one thing the president has been quite clear on for months in addition to getting out is this idea that you repeated today that is there is a counterterrorism challenge inside afghanistan, that we can deal with those over the horizon capacity. the capacity to take a missile strike. the capacity to take a drone strike. the capacity to conduct a special operation. in the same way that we do in many other countries where there have been counterterrorism but we don t have a base with several thousand american troops. that s frankly where a lot of the so-called war on terror has been moving anyway in recent years, where you don t have large numbers of u.s. ground troops but you instead have this case of the u.s. taking stand-off strikes at individual targets. in a lot of those
security forces. i don t think there are any illusions nor should there be any illusions that the taliban is a partner. i think right now what you have is a circumstance where the taliban look, they have been an insurgency and ideological movement. they don t know how to govern afghanistan. they don t even know how to provide security in the situation of kabul. this is not a city they have been governing for a very long time. they have a lot to work out. they re in discussions right now with former afghan officials about what kind of government they can set up, what kind of people they might want to keep in place. but the reality is as clint said, the taliban is not totally unified and cohesive. you may have some people in the taliban who are focused on getting international recognition, who are focused on getting international assistance and that may give you some leverage to moderate their behavior. but then you have some people that want to engage in reprisal violence and attack p
wow. so, there s that element as well. he announced it on vladimir putin s birthday. but the real issue here is that our government has no strategy vis-a-vis the middle east. and this is the problem. number one, you have the counterterrorism issue. so, this is only making it more dangerous now for the united states and our allies in europe, right? because these isis fighters the kurds are not going to be able to hang on. they have to defend themselves, their families, their villages. they won t be able to guard these facilities that much longer if the turks continue. second, you have the civil war raging in syria. we had some leverage, we still have some leverage because we still have troops there. we should be using that leverage to get to the negotiating table. and i have to say, i m also really disappointed in the europeans. yes, they went to the united nations and it was astonishing that we were on the side of russia and iran with our european allies basically welcome to
where we ll actually engage, fight and withdraw at a weird point in time that makes no sense whatsoever? you actually should be withdrawing our forces, mr. president, as part of a peace deal, as part of an agreement where we use the leverage we have from the forces we have on the ground. and by the way, you know, larry is right, this is we still have forces there nearby. we should be using our leverage to get all of the sides to the table and come up with an agreement, because there s a civil war going on. it s not just a counterterrorism issue. that s a good point. and i know the president doesn t want doesn t want to be in endless wars. he said so, he campaigned on that. his supporters voted him in, partially because they wanted him to pull american troops back. is there could he have negotiated a peace deal? was there a way to do this, to get american troops out of there more cleanly, one that would not put the kurdish forces at risk,