board. joe biden, as vice president, went to ukraine at least five times while hunter was on the board. the house oversight committee is looking at a $10 million bribe. that s significant money. there is significant allegations. i m with you, i don t necessarily believe everything that comes out of his mouth. out of shokin s mouth. we will see. it was past time for someone to interview him and hear his side of the story. i actually didn t know that the bit about the former president actually bringing him in for a corruption effort. this is why it s important to hear this all sides of the story. hunter biden and joe biden have no one to blame than themselves. you are focusing significant amount of time. five trips as vice president. how many times as vice president kamala harris been anywhere for five trips. she hasn t. if youened spending that much time your son should not be at the centerpiece of the anticorruption efforts on that board. bret: you wonder, olivia, whether the house r
john harwood. john, what s your argument here? first of all, welcome back, kasie. it s great to see you. thank you. great to be here. look, let s step back and think about what both men have tried to do. donald trump lost the election of 2020, lied about it, claimed fraud, tried to overturn it legally, failed, tried to bully election officials, get me 12,000 more votes, failed, and incited mob violence against the capitol. he was trying to corrupt the election. since 2020, that corruption effort failed, republican legislators around the country have been trying to engineer changes in election administration and voting procedures to make sure that they can succeed where trump failed. that is pretty stark. that s why we ve been covering democracy in peril. joe biden is leading democrats to try to protect the integrity
important change to ukrainian law? and you don t believe in that corruption effort? president zelensky with this new parliament opens ukraine s high anticorruption court. this had been an initiative that many folks and you in our state apartment had been pushing to happen, and that was established in that time frame. were you aware of this? yes. do you think this was significant anticorruption? i do. when you talked about how many times have you met president zelensky? i think it was just the one time, multiple engagements but just the one trip. and they were all there was never a one-on-one.