john harwood. john, what's your argument here? >> first of all, welcome back, kasie. it's great to see you. >> thank you. great to be here. >> look, let's step back and think about what both men have tried to do. donald trump lost the election of 2020, lied about it, claimed fraud, tried to overturn it legally, failed, tried to bully election officials, get me 12,000 more votes, failed, and incited mob violence against the capitol. he was trying to corrupt the election. since 2020, that corruption effort failed, republican legislators around the country have been trying to engineer changes in election administration and voting procedures to make sure that they can succeed where trump failed. that is pretty stark. that's why we've been covering democracy in peril. joe biden is leading democrats to try to protect the integrity
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