and that is the us ambassador to ukraine, marie yovanovitch. - i heard very, very bad things about her for a long period of time. not good. - yovanovitch was recalled by president trump because rudy giuliani accused her of hampering efforts to dig up dirt on joe biden. - rudy giuliani was saying that she was the corrupt one, even though she was there pushing back on corrupt figures in ukraine. the taking down, the smearing and the attempt to destroy the career of a career foreign service official for this obscure political personal errand, it was the early warning signal, it was the shocking moment of clarity that should have been, but wasn t. - the idea that rudy is this powerful international wheeler dealer and that he was going to go over to ukraine and he was going to pull the strings of power, this whole thing was shambolic, it was crapulous, it was just, it was going to be exactly the [bleep] show it turned
denazi feig ukraine. they have warned us for a the longest time that they would create a pretext for going in. and they did some of that. but vladimir putin decided he would do his own pretext. the first was this denazi fiction, as if a troubled democracy, corrupt one, was somewhat linked to some form of nazi ideology or exterminating groups of its own people. the first lie. the second one, which occupied a third of putin s speech on monday, that ukraine was trying to build nuclear weapons and invite the united states to put nuclear weapons on its territory. they gave up the soviet force
and would lay odds that there would be a war on europe unprovoked, a corrupt one but was taken over by a super power? i don t think either one of us would have given that much chance. the second is, listening to matthew chance and his incredibly brave and great work out there, think about this. he s telling us russian forces are 20 miles from kyiv. that in itself tells people thinking this morning that would be a few days, maybe a week. i think the third big thing we have to think about for this is that we have gone from a world in 15 years where we were discussing russia as a potential partner, even talking about whether they might join nato to one in which the country and its
dana, just because you interact with rudy, i ll start with you. what did you think of this interview? well, on the yovanovitch stuff on, you know, the accusations that she is the corrupt one, that that s what he was trying to get in this particular last trip to ukraine, yes, he has said that. he has said that to me. he s said that to many people. he did make the soros connection as well. what was new here is him defending himself on going after george soros, and the way i read it, and i m curious about john, what you think, is that there is widespread concern among, you know, many the adl and just, you know, humans about the george soros attacks being anti-semitic and based on a, you know, millennial old trope about jews running the worlds and runnings
everyone s interest is ahead of the people of the united states of america. the way democrats will be able to beat trump is to draw a sharp contrast on that as possible. so he s the corrupt one, we have to be able to say credibly we re out there fighting for the american people. we re fighting for folks struggling to pay student loans. fighting for the folks who can t rustle up child care. the folks who can t pay medical bills. that s the distinguish. one policy point. you were talking about to buttigieg tonight i use the verb talking. there was disa greemt on decency. the idea of how he gets his money. he was ready for you and came back about you in the past. and no different than he is. why ignore the reality of the system. were you ready for the response?