can t conceive of elements in science being at all related to punk rock. and what i do in the book is point out there s actually a lot of similarity in the sense that both of them challenge authority. and that s one thread that runs through punk music, and i think it s made it a mainstay in american culture. and it s the one thing that threads through science as well. and explain that, because you talk about anarchy, of course. whenever i hear the word i think of anarchy in the uk and cop cars being turned upside down on fire. you talk about a different type of anarchy. an anarchy in science. the sense that, if we want as scientists to believe that the world is an ordered place and that it s governed by natural law, it s kind of the opposite idea that any kind of lawlessness or anarchy could be