mexico while their asylum cases are under review. so what do these major rulings say about the direction of the court, and what can we expect for the next term? ilya shapiro is author of supreme disorder, which is available on paperback on tuesday. ilya, welcome. good to see you here. historic term for the supreme court. did the court surprise you with its ending? the court finally colessed; has, the conservative majority that has long been promised, expected, feared, vaunted finally came together this term. and i don t know whether it was terribly surprising, but it was a little breathtaking to see it actually happen. this is what, you know, many people thought would happen once all of these justices, particularly the trump-appointed ones, got on the bench, but it didn t happen last year on the bench, it didn t happen right when brett kavanaugh was confirmed. but here with all of this constellation of issues that you listed there, it really took a significant jump. and,
when brett kavanaugh was confirmed. but here with all of this constellation of issues that you listed there, it really took a significant jump. and, notably, even when john roberts or anybody else, so-called defected to the left, there was still enough votes to have a more originalist, textualist, conservative orientation. paul: all right. i think a lot of our listeners wonder what originalist means, how does it manifest itself? why don t you tell us where concern how that theory of legal reasoning manifested itself this year with. yeah. this is important because even as, even ketanji brown jackson, the newest justice who was just sworn in, talked about how originalism is where you start, as randy barnett wrote in the journal s pages during her hearing. this is not about getting into the head of james madison and thomas jefferson and thinking what they thought about something or what they intended.
a great documentary about what s going on in california. great to have you with us today. i ve seen uncomfortable people in hearings before. but merrick garland look like he couldn t way to get out of there. a lot of i don t knows. why did you move so quickly? over a weekend, you had an nsb letter from the national school board and a bunch of reports that you read in the newspaper and you launch this federal agency investigation into parents. what did you make of it? let s switch to facts here. let s just say that bill barr was attorney general and some group wrote a letter to bill barr that, you know, a general conservative orientation, and said well, blm has been linked to groups that commit vandalism, carry out threats, intimidation, campaigns across the nation,
that any election, any close election that democrats win is, by definition, illegitimate and they will find a way to discredit it. that s something new in american politics. and it s it s it s a scary thing and it looks like 2022 is only going to be worse because these forces are mobilizing in advance. limiting the right to vote. and then, creating systems where they can discredit any vote that they lose. this it s really a scary business. and the supreme court does in in its new conservative orientation does not seem inclined to stop any of this before it happens. obviously, kirsten, the former president, this is all he has going for him. this is what he is going to ride to his death bed. um, and, you know, the polling confirms the the president s influence. 78% of republicans believe that president biden didn t win the election. you know, how does this not just
discredit it. that s something new in american politics. and it s it s it s a scary thing and it looks like 2022 is only going to be worse because these forces are mobilizing in advance. limiting the right to vote. and then creating systems where they can discredit any vote that they lose. this it s really a scary business. and the supreme court does in in its new conservative orientation does not seem inclined to stop any of this before it happens. obviously, kirsten, the former president, this is all he has going for him. this is what he is going to ride to his deathbed. and, you know, the polling confirms the the president s influence. 78% of republicans believe that president biden didn t win the election. you know, how does this not just continue to undermine confidence in in free and fair elections going forward? it it will continue and that is exactly the point.