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Transcripts for CNN Anderson Cooper 360 20220119 01:25:00

Costs. you sit on committee of foreign relations obviously. do you feel as though the united states and european allies are on the same page when it comes to how to deal with the threat from russia? i think it s taken a little time to convince our european allies of the seriousness of this threat. remember, russia had tens of thousands, close to 100,000 maybe a little bit more troops on ukraine s border in the spring conducting exercises. i think we have had to spend some time with our european allies to convince them that this is serious. and that, together, our proposed sanctions that we make clear to russia should they invade will be imposed could, in fact, be the necessary deterrent. so, my sense is the british have been with us from the beginning and that other european allies are coming along to our view and are now finally willing to sort of put up a set of potential sanctions that may ultimately be ....

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Transcripts for CNN Anderson Cooper 360 20220119 01:09:00

To say, at the end of your investigation, we sought the testimony of these relevant figures, especially if, in your final report, you re gonna say they engaged in improper behavior. but let s remember, rudy giuliani is under very serious criminal investigation in the southern district of new york. there has already been a search warrant, um, for for his electronic devices. his lawyer can talk all they want about executive privilege, about attorney-client privilege. the reason rudy giuliani is not gonna testify is he is going to take the fifth because any intelligent lawyer would tell his client to take the fifth under those circumstances. very similar with sidney powell, who is also under a different kind of criminal investigation. um, so the chances of them testifying are nonexistent. but i think the committee is doing its due diligence in saying, hey, we want to hear from you if you want to talk. and, andrew, i mean, again, ....

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Transcripts for CNN Anderson Cooper 360 20220119 05:09:00

We ve seen come out of the committee so far, they are actually going after specific people, specific times, and and likely, specific conversations. so, i would expect that there was a fairly specific motivation behind these. but in truth, on the legal level, you don t you don t need that sort of specificity. and, jeff, now you got these new subpoenas for giuliani, sidney powell, jenna ellis. kind of the whole rose galley of attorneys. i just want to remind people of the caliber of arguments they were making in the early days of the big lie. let s watch. so we have mathematical evidence in a number of states of massive quantities of trump votes being trashed. just simply, put in the trash like you would on your computer with any file. and biden votes being injected. so that didn t happen. um, what do you make of i mean, even if they didn t cooperate, what is the point of doing this? well, because you you have ....

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Transcripts for CNN Anderson Cooper 360 20220119 05:05:00

So, i think this is critical. these are four critical people that the committee wants to say we re going after you whether or not you comply. jamie gangel, appreciate it. let s drill down more on this, we are joined by cnn chief legal analyst, jeffrey toobin. former fbi deputy director, andrew mccabe. also, senior political correspondent, abby phillip, host of inside politics sunday. so, andrew, how significant could these call logs or or phone records be to the investigation? so, anderson, the records are exactly as jamie described them. they give you the incoming and outgoing numbers that were called from that person s account and the time of the time the calls went through and their duration. they are crucial in setting up a timeline of that person s contacts and communications. they don t tell you what they said but they tell you exactly when they talked to specific other people. it is usually a a record that you want to see very closely before you call that person in ....

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Transcripts for CNN Anderson Cooper 360 20220119 05:25:00

I think he has also been given very bad information. there are reports suggesting that he has been told that ukraine is actually just waiting to be invited back into the soviet empire and he will be greeted as a liberator. um, so i think part of this stems from sort of his completion of a legacy project. but part of this is also due to, you know, his his bad advice. and the last piece of this is that he knows the time is running out. ukraine is getting more anti-russian, more interested in joining the west every single day. there is not going to be an election which results in a ukrainian leader ultimately deciding to do an alliance with russia. the only way they can force ukraine back in his orbit is through his own use of force. so he s gotten to this point at which the only thing he can do is to propose and move forward with an invasion like this. we have just got to make sure that we raise the prospective costs. you sit on committee of foreign relations obviously. do you feel a ....

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