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We go again, speculate for us. How do negotiations begin . Who talks to who and how, especially when both sides have said, we will not talk well, thats a, thats true for the moment. Of course, nobody will talk no, as long as the guns have not yet fall inside of that. So that means in the end, uh if there is no way to, to in, in far so they are the eas. And as you know, this is a quite a challenge to say, the very least. And then uh, in the and that will be negotiations in direct ones of course made j did or a tool like a web page image because egypt maintain so channels uh to both sides as we get a look at your own personal experience with the, the, is really sold you, i glad that charlotte, Charlotte Thomas held him for 5 years, even rejecting requests from the red cross to visit him to check on his welfare. When you worked on those make aisha negotiations, what was the breakthrough . What was the thing that made you think . Now were starting to get somewhere . Well, that, as i said,

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