most african-americans who lose family members. we grieve. and so that was misinterpreted. the key statement that she issued the first statement she issued was someone killed my son. the police did not follow that particular line of reasoning. they followed the line of reasoning in suicide. and, in fact, by 3:00 that friday, they had determined he had committed suicide, which something that we cannot accept at this time. yeah. especially on the heels of an uncle dying when we have all suffered through tragedy, and you don t get over it like that. so is there something specific that has rallied this community to bring about this fbi response and further an investigation now? was there an incident that turned on that? i think when the pathology report came out, that was the turning point. the naacp of the state of north carolina hired an independent pathologist to review the case. and once that report came out, many more questions were raised. and so, the community galvanized
ark, wonderful, wonderful taken by the president is somehow demonized. look, both of these individuals are representing respective constituencies. how they are dealt with within their respective caucuses is going to be the challenge of the leadership. so, yeah, ted cruz has a role to play. he will play it. weren t a lot of republicans criticizing ted cruz afterwards? i m sure they were. i m sure they were. but, you know, they have ted cruz doesn t answer to those lawmakers. he answers to a base constituency out there that appreciates his fight. you may disagree with this fight. you may have concerns by the way he carries out that fight, but he s representing a lot of voices and a lot of votes out there that will, you know, actually come into play later on down the road. all right. let s switch gears now and talk about the cia torture report. i ll go to you first, governor, it was one of the focus of the sunday shows today. what do you think is to be gained by this report? w
behind it. for example, his shoes, lennon lacy wore air jordans, but he was found hung with a pair of white shoes that were 1 1/2 size too small. and so, that was one of the questions. and then the belt. a leash, a dog leash was found and the belt was found that did not belong to lennon lacy. these were some questions that galvanized the community. and also, lastly, it is a fact that he was involved in an inner racial relationship with a white woman, a 31-year-old white woman in blaidenboro. the community galvanized around the report and some of the questions raised by the pathologist report and the relationship he had with this 31-year-old white woman. reverend gregory taylor, when you get answers, we d love to have you back and talk with us about them. thank you so much for your time, sir. thank you so much. ahead in the next hour. the new budget deal. what is it going to do to school lunches? mmm mmm mmm mm mmm mm mmmmmm
now aware of what was done in their name. and that s important. and we never want it to happen again. and if we ve got to choose between the opinion of dick cheney and the opinion of senator john mccain, we ought to listen to senator mccain. this report is important, it was bipartisan, and it was extensive, over 6 million documents looked at, over 6,000 pages of work, 500-page executive summary, and it details things that happened in our name as american citizens that are reprehensible. and, i believe, those responsible should be exposed. i don t know they should be charged criminally but they should be exposed, they should be shamed. and in my judgment, those who exceeded their authority within the cia should no longer be
are the perfect person to talk to about this. i want your personal reaction to the details of the report. and secondly, what do you think this means for u.s. diplomacy and leadership abroad? well, this whole episode has been a disaster for the united states. it s caused tension between the white house and cia, the cia and the congress. it s given us a black eye overseas. i think we have to focus on how we can get out of this mess. and the way to do that would be, look, i served in the cabinet. i think strong interrogations are should happen. i believe, also, you have to continue the drone efforts. i mean, these are terrorists, these are very bad times. but we don t have to have torture and waterboarding. on the other hand, where i worry about is why aren t we not focusing on the solutions. the solutions are more human intelligence, more spies, more arab speakers in the arab world. instead of being totally