and those kinds of things. to catholics, increasingly, i don t know this. for the bishops it s an issue of church prerogatives and church rights, and i don t think it s about we ve all been trained for this from the time we were kids with the stories of thomas beckett and thomas moore. there will come a time when power will come to the church and challenge our faith and test us and say who are you with? your god or with the powers around you, the mundane powers of the earth and whether it s henry the viii or king henry ii that will force you to eat pork or you re going to be fried or whatever, you have to make that choice. we ve all been trained for this, and a lot of catholics are going to rally the church and say good for those bishops. this is the first time i think they re standing up for something i believe. not that we have to do it, we will disagree, we will practice our own american version of catholicism, if you will, but we want them to have that right to say what they beli