of countermeasures. why did you not say those things? say those things? that is not howl would characterise say those things? that is not howl would characterise the say those things? that is not howl would characterise the situation. i would characterise the situation. the first thing is that i am not confident that by this cabinet meeting, i will have known that sage had concluded that containment was lost. and in fact, i don t think that i was told that for a number of days after. as i said, i m not exactly sure when i was told that. but this meeting was the morning after the minutes of sage coming to that conclusion. secondly, at this point in the department and nphet and the health service, we were working extremely hard to prepare for the pandemic. i had commissioned the action plan and work was under way on that and phe. we were attempting and pushing phe to build the testing system and all of the other things we were directly responsible for. as i say, we were