this is a soft target. we ve been talking about soft targets since 9/11, martha. that is something we need to be concerned about. intelligence and law enforcement and military action will be critical to maintaining national security on these issues. martha: steven, we re heading into the christmas shopping season, of course. it will make a lot of people to think twice. yet you don t want them to win as we say and stop americans going about what they would normally be doing. absolutely not but i think that the only way we re going to begin to turn the tide is begin to have honest conversation and real operational objectives where we target who are the people that are coming after us on these attacks? what is driving them? too often we focus how they do it or the tools that they use, like in this case guns. as we learned on 9/11, terrorists without guns can have an enormous impact upon us and since 9/11 put a priority on smaller soft targets because a great deal of terror is created by