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House and not in congress. so it will be curious to see. i do think it s a dramatic seismic shift, however, for lindsey graham to go from stop trying to berate the attorney general out of his job to maybe he won t be here in november. carol, one more thing. you were reporting about pardons and manafort and what the president would do with that. rudy giuliani has responded to that. he said we discussed it in early june and we agreed no pardons during the investigation and that has not changed. it s interesting, carol, that he says during the investigation. right. so giuliani and i had a conversation about this yesterday. actually, it ended up being about three phone calls. but his strong advice to the president along with jay sekulow, he said, was, look, you can t pardon any of these people, manafort, flynn, anyone linked to the probe, because we want to wait until these investigations are over. and here s the part, katy, that i thought was the most ....
Actions of the department of justice will not be influenced by political considerations. i demand the highest standards and where they are not met, i take action. joining me now former assistant director for counterintelligence at the fbi and msnbc national security analyst frank feglusi. washington post reporter carol len ig and eli stokols. eli, we have been watching the president taunt jeff sessions on twitter for months now. this is nothing new. he is obviously upset for him not taking control of the mueller investigation, for recusing himself. yesterday i found it shocking that sessions would release that, that very strongly worded statement before he went to the white house to meet with the president to talk about criminal sentencing reform, and yet, eli, it seems like there was no tension there, but still this morning the president woke up and was tweeting about him all over again. yeah, it s remarkable. it speaks volumes about this administration, that s the way ....
He is going to fight back and stick with the men and women of the justice department. interestingly, it s not all republicans. it makes you wonder whether or not the president could even get a new attorney general confirmed. take a listen to, corker, ben skas, and john cornyn talking about this. look, i mean, of course, he wanted him, if he wants to make a change, he can. i think it would be very harmful to in his own situation. it would be a very, very, very bad idea to fire the attorney general because he is not executing his job as a political hack. i think it would be a mistake, and i don t think it would be good for the country. strong words from republicans, carol. would they be backed up with actions in refusing to confirm somebody else? so far we haven t really seen any action to back up some of this effort to hold the president back from some of his worst instinct, not in the white ....