we here at msnbc will have a prime time recap of tomorrow s hearing right here tomorrow night starting at 8:00 p.m. eastern. hosting that tomorrow night, along with my dear friends chris hayes and joy reid and nicolle wallace and lawrence o donnell and the whole team, 1:00 p.m. is when the live hearing starts, and 8:00 p.m. tomorrow night is when we will start our prime time recap. i can tell you one thing in advanceim of tomorrow s hearing. i can tell you for sure that the tattoo quotient among the witnesses isth about to go way, wayth up and i do not want to speculate what any of these folks might haveat lurking unde their collars, it is totally possible of course that like, you know, rusty bowers has an amazing torso full of tattoos, who knows or just michael luttig had a full sleeve tattoo working under his very silver suit but in terms of visible tattoos, tattoos visible o even in busins wear, in terms of face tattoos, neck tattoo, head tattoos, hand tattoos, tomorrow is
purpose, trying to use them essentially as the physical force that would be needed to physically block the finalization of the election results, to physically intimidate the vice president and theel congress from finishi that job, well, to whatever extent that happened, to whatever extent these groups didn t just do it on their own but they wereth directed in tha effort, tomorrow we re going to hear the january 6th investigators lay out thatoi ca, and we know to expect live witness testimony from the former spokesperson for the oathkeepers who is now quite repentant about his time with the group, we may also hear from otherhi people who were actuall personally involved in the january 6th attack, we may also see more video tape than you might usually expect, in part, because by the latest count, i think there appeared to be not one, not two, not three, but maybe four separate documentary film makers who were involved with the main figures in the january 6th attack, up to and including t
wear, in terms of face tattoos, neck tattoo, head tattoos, hand tattoos, tomorrow is going to really up the numbers in terms of what we have seen yet from liveer witnesses at january 6th hearings. tomorrow s hearing, we have been advised will focus at least in part on the relationship between former president trump and the trump white house and the pro-trump fascist groups that breached the capitol building january 6th. one of the live witnesses we are told tomorrow is going to be a named jason, a spokesman for one of the groups, for the oathkeepers. and he was a tattoo shop owner, also an artist, a very accomplished artist, he ran a podcast radio show thing for a while called revolution radio. and when he was doing revolution radio, he was sympathetic to these far right militia type
and i was wrong. jason was the spokesman for the oathkeepers para-military group for about a year and a half two years, involved with the group fornd longer than that though, r years, involved to the point where the leader of the oathkeeper, stewart rhodes, the guy with the eye patch from the gun handling accident, he lived in jason s basement for eight monthsin and jason does a local podcast in colorado and it is amazing to hear him on his podcast, straight up, relaying the most recent news about january 6th, the investigation, and the criminal charges against these para-military tigroups, a then while he is doing his normal news podcast he has to mention, kind of like as a fair disclosure to his listeners that oh,ik yeah, that view we re talking about, that dude used to live in my basement. the new indictment now is the
think it is worth noting, that is all information we did not have the first time anybody tried to hold trump accountable for what he set off on january 6th. during his second impeachment trial right after january 6th one of the key pieces we now know was missing was just how armed that crowd was when they stormed the capitol. that makes this kind of fresh new ground. how does it change the job of the investigators? how does it change the stakes? well, joining us now is somebody in a unique position to be able to talk about that, barry burke, counsel to the house judiciary committee during the first impeachment, about ukraine and lead counsel in the second impeachment which is the line about january 6. mr. burke, a pleasure to have you with us tonight. thank you for taking the time. thank you, rachel. great to be here. is it fair to say that when trump was impeached for the january 6 attack, again for which you were lead counsel, is it fair to say that it wasn t yet clear at that ti