good morning. welcome to morning joe. it is tuesday, may 16th. ahead this hour, the latest developments from ukraine following new russian missile attacks overnight. the strikes come as the ukrainian president is touring europe, looking to restock his army s arsenal. plus, the durham report was supposed to vindicate donald trump of his alleged ties to russia, but now that it s finally out after four years, there s not much in it that we didn t already know. we re going to go through the findings just ahead. we ll also have an update on the debt ceiling talks ahead of a high-stakes meeting at the white house. also today, just ahead now, arnold schwarzenegger joins us live from austria, where some of the world s top climate activists and leaders are meeting right now. along with joe, willie and me, we have the host of way too early, white house bureau chief at politico, jonathan lemire. special correspondent for bbc news, katty kay is with us. and columnist and asso
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again, trumpism does not scale. in fact, it pushes people away. i keep having and i know it s anecdotal, but i just keep talking to republicans. i keep talking to them. you know, i used to my anecdotal evidence was always, you know, they don t care what he does. they ll vote for him anyway. not that way anymore. the past three, four months, it s broken dramatically away from him. again, people aren t saying it to me to make me feel good because they re the same ones who said they ll vote for a guy who accused me of murder because of regulations. i mean, so these people talk straight. what they re saying now is, he s going to lose. he has too much going on. he s got too many cases going on. he s too crazy on social media. they just want to thank him for his service, but they want him in the rear-view mirror. this is a potent message ron
tack for desantis. he needs to punch it up when he starts campaigning, talking about, hey, i hate losing. i don t want to it s a culture of losing in the republican party. donald trump lost. punch it up. that s actually a really good message. yeah. i think most republicans, most republicans, would prefer winning to and i won t go through the list thank you. to losing. go ahead, joe. 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 222 22, 23. a massive loss in wisconsin, a massive launch in kentucky in 22 on abortion. then, of course, a massive loss, even governorships across kentucky and louisiana in the off years. they re losing the big races and the smaller races, too, because,
desantis can push. you re right. especially after the cnn town hall last week. yes. even republicans, independents, even republicans go, ugh, not again. not again. the open question now is, what s the alternative? maybe it is ron desantis. this is happening, by the way, the moving trucks are in tallahassee. governor desantis press secretary quit yesterday, stepped down, i should say, to say, moving on to pursue other opportunities to continue to drive governor desantis messages across the country. read into that what you will. ron desantis is getting into the race. the question, jonathan lemire, is, is the culture of losing argument potent enough in a republican primary to win? can he beat donald trump with that, reminding voters, look at the record under donald trump? we keep losing. we want power. we want to change the country. we need power to do that, and donald trump has cost us that. he ll do it again in 2024. will that be enough? there are those in the republican party