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Sure, thank you. my next guest knows all too well the dangers of extreme anti government and far right groups. sarah suite is the daughter of an operations supervisor for the social security administration who was killed during the oklahoma city bombing in 1995, by the way next wednesday, is the 28th anniversary of that tragic day. stephen williams was only 42 years old when timothy mcveigh set off explosives outside of the federal building where williams worked. sarah carries on his legacy through advocacy work and as a member of the board of trustees for the oklahoma city national memorial and museum. sarah thank you so much for being here. what are you thinking? when you re hearing that the leaker in this case was drawing inspiration from waco and ruby ridge. thank you for having me. it s honestly for me, michael. it just takes me right back to 1995. when we first found out who had committed the bombing what his ....
Use the horn and a safety hazard is not present. in the descent. judge marsha berzin wrote that political protest quote has always rested on the highest rung of the hierarchy of the first amendment values, and there s no evidence in the record or anywhere else. as far as i can determine that such political expressive horn uses use jeopardizes safety or frustrates noise control, brazen concludes. that by prohibiting core expressive conduct the law is unconstitutional. joining me now is hands, who wrote an amicus brief in support of susan porter in the case, he s associate clinical professor of law at cornell law school, where he is associate director of its first amendment clinic. professor thanks for being here it is my favorite story of the week. so the majority said, yeah, some honking is expressive under the first amendment, but it applies even handedly. and it s narrowly tailored. what do you think? thank you for having me. i agree with judge persons descent i wrote in support of ....
Susan porter s case because of the concern i have about political expression and how honking of horns is central to that, particularly during the covid epidemic when this case was being litigated you remember ? i m sure in the 2020 election when, when covid was much more on the brain, and while donald trump was barnstorming the nation at these enormous rallies , joe biden, much more cautiously was appearing at drive ins and i m going to show you some tape. joe is a man for this moment. so the only way they were able to express themselves was honking the horn. now if i want to be technical, i guess i have to say that under 21007 in california, they were not on the highway and the statute wouldn t apply. yes but you can certainly imagine all ....
Had alternatives. she could have parked her car and, you know, foisted a sign. she s gonna go to a thumbs up. she could have given a wave. there are a lot of things that she could have done to express herself shy of boop, boop boop. yes although i don t agree with the majority s view on that for a couple of reasons, one of which is that you know there s safety issues, right? there s all sorts of situations in which you re driving down the freeway and people might be standing over and over pass and you re not going to drive under the shoulder and, you know, wave your hand. right and i think the covid dynamics sort of belies some of the obvious alternatives that the majority wants to support. you know, there were safety concerns about protesting , and for many people, this was the only way that they would be able to express their support and certainly if you can imagine other situations in the future akin to that. professor hans. i want to show some social media reaction. i ll read it al ....
Distrust in government, joblessness, social isolation, lack of romantic interests and real relationships. my next guest gets it. i have watched and recommend his ted talk. it is called where the alt right came from. dale baran is a lecturer at morgan state university. he s the author of it came from something awful how a toxic troll army accidentally meme donald trump into office. dale thank you for being here. my radio listeners have cautioned me all week not to go blaming an entire platform. but to me, it seems like a pretty familiar story. young men. they re isolated. they re bonding online. in this case over guns and gear and god, what do you see? sure thank you for having me. i think your analysis is pretty correct that indeed the larger sort of sociological problems that created this environment so things just being difficult for young people that they have a difficult time economically or just sort of getting out of their parents ....