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Tremendous, you know, loss of life. but then when you bring it up in discussion about collective bargaining and union rights and leadership of unions, it does leave a bad sort of, you know, smell, i guess, in some situations. maybe to you. maybe to you, but i think the people of oklahoma are going to make that determination. i mean, it may be the people on the show feel that way. i don t feel that way from watching that ad. i am incredibly, you know, grateful for the way that firefighters and police officers put their lives on the line every day. one of the heros, i mean, what s so ironic about what the politician is saying in oklahoma is that there were other heros that day in addition to the firefighters. the firefighters are heros too. it s completely appropriate for them to use one of their proudest moments in their own service in oklahoma in a campaign to make the case that this is stuff that they need to do their job. i think it s completely within bounds, and it sounds like te ....
So what speaker of the house pelosi is doing, they re looking to pick off enough people to get them to the point where they can say, listen, we re all in this together. you voted for it before, you may have some hesitation, but if we don t do it now, we re going to have a worse outcome in the midterms. you re going to be more likely to lose than if you don t go with us now because the president s message is this, megyn, once we have it, we can sell it. we can t sell something that s not real to the american people. we can t tell them we ve helped you to protect you against the excess of the insurance industry if all we did was to make a bun p of bunch of noise. pelosi said you can t sell a pie if you haven t baked it. [laughter] megyn: okay. brad, you know, the problem, though, for her in making that sales pitch is what happened in new jersey, what happened in massachusetts and what happened in virginia. i mean, are there a lot of these moderate democrats looking at the tea leaves sa ....