savage, supreme court correspondent for the los angeles times. host: professor kenji yoshino you have written a very interesting very thoughtful account of the 2010 trial in san francisco where to couples challenged california s ban on same-sex marriage. this was a trial that neither side wanted. tell us why you decided to go back and write a book now. guest at david first of all thank you so much for doing this interview. it s my great pleasure to be here today. i really got into thinking about this trial after chief judge ron walker issued his 136 page opinion with findings of fact on august the fourth of 2010 and i looked at that opinion and as somebody who has been working in the gay rights feel this opinion but different in kind from anything i had seen before. it s just thoughtfulness generally and so i asked my library and to pull the transcript of the trial and she came up with it in 13 volumes 2000 page transcript of the trial in closing arguments. when i first s
reparative or therapeutic in what they endure. i was manipulated into believing i could change my sexual orientation. instead i was subjected to terrible abuse that mirrored the assault i experienced as a young person. what i can tell you is conversion therapy does not work. my family and i have wasted thousands of dollars and many hours on this scam. that s heim levin, who filed suit against a new jersey counseling center called jonah, jews offering new alternatives for healing. these four men and the southern poverty law center which is representing them claim the center falsely offered cures and used tactics that sound less like therapy and more like mental torture. things like being made to undergo individual and group sessions in the nude. being made to cuddle other same sex clients and counselors. being made to beat an effigy of one s mother. go to gyms and bath houses in order to be nude, the lawsuit claims, with father figures. being subject, the suit also claims,
favorites. you can get that on the other cable news networks. we re just searching for the facts. tonight, the facts on a controversial practice called reparative therapy. keeping them honest, a mountain of medical research says otherwise. even though some people claim it helps them even though practitioners may use it with the best of intentions, plenty of people say there s nothing reparative or therapeutic in what they endure. i was manipulated into believing i could change my sexual orientation. instead i was subjected to terrible abuse that mirrored the assault i experienced as a young person. what i can tell you is conversion therapy does not work. my family and i have wasted thousands of dollars and many hours on this scam. that s heim levin, who filed suit against a new jersey counseling center called jonah, jews offering new alternatives for healing. these four men and the southern poverty law center which is representing them claim the center falsely offered cur
sexual orientation. instead i was subjected to terrible abuse that mirrored the assault i experienced as a young person. what i can tell you is conversion therapy does not work. my family and i have wasted thousands of dollars and many hours on this scam. that s heim levin, who filed suit against a new jersey counseling center called jonah, jews offering new alternatives for healing. these four men and the southern poverty law center which is representing them claim the center falsely offered cures and used tactics that sound less like therapy and more like mental torture. things like being made to undergo individual and group sessions in the nude. being made to cuddle other same sex clients and counselors. being made to beat an effigy of one s mother. go to gyms and bath houses in order to be nude, the lawsuit claims, with father figures. being subject, the suit also claims, to ridicule, and i m quoting the complaint here, as homos and other anti-gay slurs that start with
the best of intentions, plenty of people say there s nothing reparative or therapeutic in what they endure. i was manipulated into believing i could change my sexual orientation. instead i was subjected to terrible abuse that mirrored the assault i experienced as a young person. what i can tell you is conversion therapy does not work. my family and i have wasted thousands of dollars and many hours on this scam. that s heim levin, one of four men filing a suit against a new jersey counseling center called jonah, jews offering new alternatives for healing. these four men and the southern poverty law center which is representing them claim the center falsely offered cures and used tactics that sound less like therapy and more like mental torture. things like being made to undergo individual and group sessions in the nude. being made to cuddle other same sex clients and counselors. being made to beat an effigy of one s mother. go to gyms and bath houses in order to be nude, t