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Transcripts for MSNBC The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell 20240604 05:19:00

Donald trump could have said, he could ve offered to the jury, well, i mistakenly thought automatic declassification when i took documents with me was a thing. therefore, i didn t really have a guilty state of mind. he took that away from his lawyer. let him keep talking because he s going to take away every possible angle his lawyers could otherwise president trial. so, when we talk about a trump defense, it is, at this stage, a defense he is making, basically, with reporters. the only way for donald trump, it seems to me, to get the bravado defense into the trial, ....

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Transcripts for MSNBC The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell 20240604 02:16:00

Regardless of the provider about having classified documents or not, on this tape, you have trump s own view of the law, and what remains classified, and what isn t. he even says, quote, see, as president, i could have declassified it, now i can t, you know. this is still secret. that is gold for jack smith, the former president trump s own words, saying he thought documents were still classified after you take them out of the white house. this becomes an open and shut case for mar-a-lago. his bravado defense might get him somewhere if he is charged in yet another indictment, at bedminster. that s all he s got. glenn kirschner, as a former practitioner in the trial courtroom, where you have to present and to deal with evidence like this, and credibility of evidence, we have what we are hearing is donald trump referring to that document very clearly, saying ....

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Transcripts for MSNBC Alex Wagner Tonight 20240604 04:12:00

The second point there will be useful for the jury to hear is the notion of, when you hear the audiotape, it certainly gives the impression that trump was holding a classified document in his hand. now when he claims that he was actually was not, he was in effect, lying to his closest staff, who remain to this day loyal to him. that is going to, i think, undermine his credibility before the jury as well. if he s going to lie to his closest staff and friends, what is to say that he s not lying anytime he opens his mouth? i mean, the bravado defense, joyce, on the table, he literally says that these are the papers, this was done by the military and given to me. and then he refers to declassifying it, there is a whole back and forth. i guess that that is the best defense here. is that the best defense here, joyce? ....

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Transcripts for MSNBC The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell 20240604 02:14:00

Plans for golf courses can make her say wow, the context seemed to suggest it s classified document involving iran. let s give the trump defense the airing it deserves. take us much time as you need to consider for us the bravado defense. okay, you heard me pause for a second. that s about as much as that defense deserves. so, first of all, just on the tape, and you can disregard, which is very deserving, obsequious behavior, the type of people trump surrounded himself but. that tape is disgusting. even if it is true that it is bravado, i was national security adviser for the justice department, we knew of people who used to brag about classified information, classified operations, all that kind of stuff. you do that, that is so reprehensible. you know, even if it s false. that s not good. you don t go around saying i am ....

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Transcripts for MSNBC The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell 20240604 02:20:00

Bravado defense into the trial, is for donald trump to take the witness stand himself to offer the bravado defense of that moment in the trial, and i don t think anyone is betting on donald trump to take the witness stand. anyone is that s right, lawr. no lawyer with any degree of knowledge would let donald trump take the stand. he is a serial liar, and there will be supporting perjury. that s never going to happen, which is why trump is always, like, he s been a vampire to garlic, totally terrified of ever testifying under oath. i suspect even he knows it. that leaves the question, what is trump s legal defense? as glen points out, every time trump opens his mouth, he removes yet another potential defense. at this point, i think all he is left with, and it s not terrible is a claim he is incompetent to stand trial. you know, otherwise, i don t know what he s got. it leads me to think that he ....

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