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Of the united states. the trump era routinely leave miss observers grasping for historical precedent. as you could hear, senator schumer thinks this is the most chaotic presidency in american history. personally, i m pretty sure andrew johnson among others has trump beat but in a week that does feel profoundly ominous, how should we think about where this president and this country are at this particular moment? joining me now, michael beschloss, nbc news presidential historian, author of the new book presidents of war and eleanor quip who covers politics for the daily beast. eleanor, it s always hard with this president to separate the wheat from the chaff, the trivial from the profound. the mattis level felt like a big de deal. did it feel like a big deal to you? very much feels like a big deal. in the green room talking to michael i said could i compare it to washington s farewell letter? he said well, that s a little ....

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