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What do you think? rudy giuliani is pushing back against this. help us make sense of this. first, jason miller and bill stepian back and forth worked for rudy giuliani in his presidential campaign. where, by the way, we met. you met in 08? we met in 06. they both knew rudy for a long time and they would be an excellent judge of whether he was intoxicated. for all the time i worked for rudy, he was not a big drinker. rudy s pushback was his drink was a diet pepsi. but it s clear there s some self-medication problems going on, at least according to people who are witnesses who knew him over the course of his career. these people liked and admired him enough to work for him at one time. i think it s hard for ....
Cowing to trump, it had such a corrupting and corrosive effect. they just can t quit him. so listen, two people you know, rudy giuliani, jason miller. do you know him? i m familiar with his work. you worked for him, didn t you? for a couple and years he is pushing back on these claims by jason miller. this was in sworn testimony saying rudy giuliani was drunk on election night and encouraging donald trump to claim victory. what do you think? rudy giuliani is pushing back against this. help us make sense of this. first, jason miller and bill stepian back and forth worked for rudy giuliani in his presidential campaign. where, by the way, we met. you met in 08? we miet in 06. they both knew rudy for a long time and they would be an excellent judge of whether he was intoxicated. ....
like some have. to hide behind their fifth amendment protections and they ve chosen not to. and so the only point i m trying to make people that are viewing that might be upset that they didn t come out and say all of this, when it was unfolding, it certainly is extraordinarily important now that they have done that and they should be thanked for that because it s helping us give us extraordinary insight into what happened. yes. well some were subpoenaed as you know, mr. stepian, of course his wife went into labor and he went up to be with her as we agreed he should. some came if voluntarily, it was a mix. but there is really very few individuals who simply refuse to come in and talk to us. those people should be ashamed of themselves. they have an obligation to come in but the vast majority did come in and talk to us, including the president s own ....
there were suggestions by i believe it was mayor giuliani to declare victory and say that we won it outright. reporter: and miller testifying that giuliani was intoxicated on election night. his attorney denies he was drinking at all. the unsupported theories about machines swifting votes parroted by rioters. but dividing his allies. campaign manager bill stepian who had to withdrawal from planned live testimony when his wife went into labor on one side, giuliani on the other. he called them my team and rudy s team. i didn t mind being characterized as being part of team normal. reporter: trump embracing giuliani even as 61 out of 62 were defeated and they debunked claims of fraud. i said, i have confidence in rudy. ....
And i m glad they re telling us the truth of what happened behind the doors. because, willie, it is really it is really a great insight. you and i, again, we have talked repeatedly about the conspiracy theories of people we know that will throw out all of the time. that because of this testimony, those conspiracy theories are really cut off at their knees. especially because these are all trump people that are testifying that they re all lies. it is important on this big stage, we ve heard all of these advisers, the attorney general and others take a scalpel to all of the conspiracy theories that have become prominent and drove a lot of people to the capitol on january 6. this is strategic, by the committee, and important to use trump s own advisers. his own attorney general, you can t dismiss bill barr as an anti-trump hack. no, you can t dismiss bill stepian as a hack, he was ....