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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 08:10:00

To making money. and he figured it out. got into the booming wi-fi business. and pretty soon cathy and todd moved into a big lakeside house in georgia with a boat and fancy cars and of course an airplane. cathy always so nurturing told her friends that she was ready to take the next step. i remember cathy calling me and telling me that they were living in georgia and she was excited about it and that she wanted to have children, so i was excited for her because i could see her with little kids. but nine years into what looked like a happy marriage, children had yet to arrive. and now we know because of what was in that blue box, they never would. time to find out what happened. who knew that the discovery in that box would bring investigators all the way across the country to the blue ridge mountains of north georgia, to a campsite high on a hill. ....

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 08:08:00

No surprise, it was the macho fighter pilots. the man in the uniform. definitely. the jumper suit. very hot. cathy and i would always joke that do you think that you would marry a pilot? that would be so cool, like top gun. and of course she ended up marrying one. first in her early 20s she struck up a relationship with a pilot who in the end couldn t seem to commit. and so just like rachel, years later in napa, california, cathy was a young woman on the rebound when she met fighter pilot todd. where the first one didn t work out or perhaps maybe it didn t work the because you wanted to, maybe she felt like this is what she needed to do and todd came into the picture. i think having that pilot probably maybe is what caused her to marry todd. and at that time todd was ....

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 08:06:00

A judge now. but back in 1999, a rookie detective. it really shocked me that i was getting a call from california about a case that i had worked in our little gentle town there. had you forgotten all about that case? no, sir. i actually over the years, i ve thought about that case many times. the case, an auto accident in the fall of 99. an accident that killed the first mrs. winkler. cathy. my father called me that night and told me that cathy was no longer with us. what was that like for you? it hurts. still hurts. so many years later, charles carlisle still smarts from the lot of his big sister cathy. just never got over it. but then cathy was also his mentor, his protector, perhaps his only true friend. they grew up on hk dill air force base near tampa, charles ....

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 08:30:00

A long straight drop hundreds of feet into a deep ravine? the steepest cliff possible on that road. reporter: why did their toyota pick up erupt into flames? that might happen in the movies, but rarely in real life. why did it look like the fire had been burning for a long time? it was the whole side of the mountain. it was a big mountain. it had to have been burnin an hour or two. yeah, probably. i would think. closer to two. reporter: curiosities. why would he bring up here to the very top of the mountain to go camping it s an hour s drive over a rutted track to the other campers farther down the hill. acording to cathy s family she didn t like camping at all. so why would he bring her to the most remote possible place? no one camps up there. unless you want to be really secluded. reporter: and that said cathy s brother was not something she would have wanted. did she like to go camping? no. she d rather be in a hotel any day over a tent, knowin ....

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 08:09:00

Ready to commit. right away. how long did they date before they got married? i wouldn t say it was a very long time at all. they got married within weeks of dating. she appeared to be happy, so i didn t question it. she had married her pilot and so i thought, you know, her fairy tale was coming true. the air force sent todd to japan soon after the wedding. it was an exhilarating time for cathy. getting married, heading off to live in an exotic place. cathy was excited to move to japan and she was going to be an english teacher. later after todd left the air force, cathy s friends remember how she was there for him as he tried to figure out what do next. she was very nurturing in the fact that she was supporting him in whatever different career he was going to choose. it was a difficult time for todd. we did spend thanksgiving with them one year and todd had put on a lot of weight. and i know that he wasn t working and he was depressed. but todd always had a knack ....

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