their time local time, so it s been dragging on and you know the fbi has to be and the local police have to be ready to take other action if they detect something is amiss. right? if he changes his tone, then they also have to be ready to take other action. so as long as he is talking and pointed out the release of this hostage about two hours ago was a big, big hopeful sign. because it indicated that they could have some rapport and trust. as long as that is going on, they have to be ready, though, to take other action in case something else turns. certainly, evan, thank you so much for staying up late and getting us all this information. joining us is cia counter terrorism phil mudd.