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Looking to put a name to it and moving toward a more specific set of charges that could be codified in articles of impeachment in the coming weeks. back with us tonight is berit berger with the eastern district of new york and the southern district of new york. berit, please expand on why it is significant and why is it important to label this bribery? i think nancy pelosi was very specific in calling this bribery for two reasons. the first is that unlike quid pro quo, bribery is something that most people understand. especially people we have a general understanding. the second reason is this is one of those delineated things in the constitution that is a basis for impeachment. along with treason, along with high crimes and misdemeanors, bribery is specifically identified. so much like other prosecutors, what she s doing here is marrying up the facts and the law. ....
The question is whether these impeachment hearings when they are done in full view of the public, is that going to break through all the other noise? and are americans going to stop and watch their tvs the way they did with the kavanaugh hearings, for example, and just say to themselves wait a second, something isn t right here. ultimately, this is a case in which the president of the united states apparently was not working on behalf of the american people, but was in fact selling out our government and weaponizing it against his political enemies while at the same time inviting foreign governments to interfere in our election. that s a pretty clear case. and when it s coming out of the mouths like of people like vindm vindman, it s going to be extremely difficult for the republicans to hide behind just process. and that goes to why, berit, as we re going get to later in the show there are trump aides who are basically sending people to court right now looking for guidance about wha ....
As a legal one. i think you lay that out really well, and it s also a reminder of how interesting these times are. they may be heavy, but they re interesting, because the way you just put it is the gap between nikki haley minimizing, maybe nothing happened, which is often the first defense you hear in any situation, except donald trump s number one top aide you or me? it could be anyone. se ri. she wants to weigh in. i would be curious to what se ri has to say. the algorithms have all kinds of ways of evaluating evidence. but you have the nikki haley defense is hey, maybe nothing happened. and that might have appealed to a lot of people except mick mulvaney came out and said oh, something happened. something we do all the time. we do this. get over it, until he had to retract. great insights from every panelist. thanks to each of you. thank you. mara, berit, shelby, we ll be seeing all of you again. coming up as promised, i m going turn next to my special report between ....
Can the message get away from them? some of these witnesses republicans have time to question them as well, and they want to go down different roads. so it will be interesting to see if democrats can actually stay focussed on this one key point and at the end of the day, will americans be tuning in to hear it. berit, this is where it s legalish, but it s not prosecutorly legal. right. and it s a senate trial, not a criminal trial. and what nikki haley is appealing to is people who watch law & order and think well, yeah, attempted bribery or attempted embezzlement, or attempted extortion sounds bad, but attempted is not as bad as pulling it off. is there a reasonable way for them to lean into that? although i would note, i have to as a journalist, the facts of the case suggest it may have been more than attempted. but that s that they re trying to do. you nailed it. there is literally no legal distinction here. if this was a court of law, there is a charge of only attempt bu ....
Repeatedly and he wouldn t do it. barr has since earned more than comey. but certainly he has said to people around him that he finally has the attorney general he s always wanted. they ve got a long way to go to be where they were with jeff sessions who the president to this day is still so angry at. he s considering actively campaigning against him for his alabama senate run. incidentally, the president will be in alabama on saturday. it s the first sort of divide between this attorney general and the president. it ll be interesting where it goes from here. speaking of his attitude about this, i think the most eloquent statement we can find about his kind of view of his power is that his lawyers went to a judge in new york and said actually if he kills somebody in new york he cannot be investigated for it. if that doesn t say everything about his conception of what the presidency entitles him to, i don t know what does. matt, it s a great piece of reporting. thank you for spendin ....