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And retirement costs, then we re going to be able to flip the balance back to where it ought to be. megyn: one of the things people object to, gretchen, in the nonright-to-work states is how the union bosses choose to spend the fees, mostly on political activities, they say, as opposed to providing union benefits. yeah. i think this past election it showed just that, that unions played a big part in reelecting president obama, and that s why so many expect him to say something about this today. but union dues should be going to what they should to the workers, and they re not. they re going to political activities. and to what he said earlier about crippling and crippling unions, unions have actually crippled businesses. just look what they did to hostess. they re basically bankrupting that company, and because of it, we re not going to have twinkies or ho-hos this christmas. [laughter] megyn: bear gnarled, as much bernard, as much of a service they have performed, sometimes they ....

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