chuck rosenberg, matt miller joins us, former special advisor on communications for the nsa, and former chief spokesperson for the department of justice. and jeff mason, white house correspondent for reuters. ryan, you had the very difficult challenge of speaking to us moments after this document dropped. you ve had a bit more time, tell us what else we ve learned. i mean, i think it s significant, especially in those photos that you discussed in the last hour, that show just how this was organized. i think the key part of this is essentially, them not trusting the trump team. because after they had that initial grand jury subpoenaed that was delivered, you had this filing that was signed by a trump reporter. so we don t know based on the filing what it was, but it s been reported publicly they said there is no responsive documents left. and lo and behold, when they when it s executed the search warrant, there were all these documents left. there s still information, and we
for msnbc news, matt miller joins us, former special advisor on communications for the nsa, and former chief spokesperson for the department of justice. and jeff mason, white house correspondent for reuters. ryan, you had the very difficult challenge of speaking to us moments after this document dropped. you ve had a bit more time, tell us what else we ve learned. i mean, i think it s significant, especially those photos that you discussed in the last hour, that show just how this was organized. i think the key part of this is essentially, them not trusting the trump team. because after they had that initial grand jury subpoenaed that was delivered, you had this filing that was signed by a trump reporter. so we don t know based on the filing what it was, but it s been reported publicly they said there is no responsive documents left. and lo and behold, when they when it s executed the search warrant, there were all these documents left. there s still information, and we d
altogether. for instance, in the lindsey graham case, the 11th circuit said there is a small area where the government cannot ask questions but said there s a large array of questions that would be proper, and he needs to go into the grand jury and the court will deal with this on a question by question basis. so, for mike pence for instance, if you said, do you think you lost the election? and tell me about your conversations with the former president about that, that s not going to be covered by the speech and debate clause. i think there s an area where if jack smith does this correctly, even if you assume all the legal dominos fall in favor of mike pence, i still think there s areas he can go in the grand jury and be questioned by. and i think barrel howl who s the district judge on this for now, because she s the chief
since a federa grand jury here in washington issued that subpoena to the trump team demanding all those classified records taken from the white house be returned. there have been delays and stalling, and there was that stunning fbi search last summer after agents discovered evidence that documents were possibly being withheld on purpose. but tonight sources tell us the judge barrel howl who s overseeing the grand jury is patient. she s denied a charge to hold trump in contempt. they basically told both sides, work it out. pierre, thank you. when we come back here, news on the george floyd case and a former minneapolis police officer. also, the urgent search playing out off maui for a snorkeler after an apparent shark attack her husband make it to shore and frantically calling 11. in a moment. voq, a once-daily pill. when uc got unpredictable,.
so a quick read of this, on the boring side but it s important for the judges, they really get the law, it s dead on as to why executive privilege didn t work, why there is no special master needed for the handful of attorney-client documents. all of that is sort of less important, i think, in terms of big picture. let s just turn to the key here, which is that the department got approval from the d. c. chief judge barrel howl, to reveal some grand jury information, and they do. they also go ahead and i don t know what that means. so, good to interrupt me. grand jury material is protected by a rule, that the government is not usually allowed to share grand jury material. for instance, a grand jury