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Said, just this week, i ve spoken out against that not just with respect to russia, but a number of other countries, where we continue to work with them, but we have a strong agreement on this issue. so few are calling for an outright boycott, but some gay rights advocates have called for the international olympic committee to move the 2014 games out of russia. or there s the idea from cid zigler, co-founder of outsports.com, ban russia from competing in its own games. nbc, as a broadcaster of games, has a major financial interest in what happens in the sochi olympics and i will only get a vacation in february if we are preempted for olympics coverage. so we want the olympics to go on. but joining me now from burbank, california, is cid zigler. thanks for joining us today. hi, cid. i want you to have your vacation. but not at the cost of, particularly of the safety and the rights and freedoms of lbgt ....
it s interesting, obviously, the olympics have had their sort of political moments. there s a moment in mexico city where they raised their black power fists. there s, of course, jesse owens in germany, his athletic prowess demonstrating kind of the lie that is naziism. but at the same time, i wonder i saw a couple of heads shaking when cid said, oh, bans work, i saw some heads shaking at the table. i think in some of those countries, it would have worked, but russia is a totally different beast. it s still in the sort of fallen empire syndrome. and i think if you just sort of try to yell at it, it kind of recoils into itself. i don t think that that kind of pressure will change the reality on the ground for gays and lesbians in russia. so cid, i m wondering if there should be a larger in other words, when the ioc is thinking about when to place olympics, should human rights be one part of an equation? of course. if you ban russia from its own games, it s not as though ....
That it was so easy for russia to be like, okay, edward, come hang out for us a little while. is it really that it was so easy. and folks who watch this show know that i ve gotten in trouble for some of my critiques of edward snowden, although not critiques of what he released. in other words, i think the releasing is one thing. i think the seeking asylum is something separate. but if the roles were reversed, we would we have returned an asylum seeker? we would never have. and there were instances when the lord of war, even a movie was made with nicolas cage on that story, who allegedly, or now not allegedly, because he was convicted for that in new york city, sold arms the to all around the world. and russians begged to return him and said we ll deal with him on our own and what not and the united states didn t. so in some ways, the way russian fee ....
Recalibration of a relationship that was set during the cold war and it s been over 20 years since and things have to recalibrate. russia and the u.s. don t run the world anymore like they used to and russia is kind of falling further and further behind on the global station. jolani, you re nodding to that. i think one of the things that s interesting is the dynamic here. and people have talked about vladimir putin s positioning as a strong man, how people see him, but i think he s also probably responding to the dynamics internal within russia, which is a very strong sense of their declining power in the world. i think that s been like a lens through which lots of things that there, projecting strength, and reminding people of a time where the country was at least respected, and if not respected, certainly feared. this idea of a declining russia does seem to be at odds with the kind of geopolitical realities, particularly related to syria and iran, that we currently see. well, ....