but then he started going back at it. we were just trying to fight our way out. it was tragic. it was scary, frightening. a frightening experience. arthel: so how did you get out of there? how did you get from back crush, pushing you toward the barricades by the stage? at first we were all together, we ended up separating and going separate ways. i pushed my way towards the back, i and up in the back and as soon as i touched a railing, i said please, get me out. i just jumped over and i saw my other friends out there. arthel: joe, what time did you all get to the concert? was happening?