how did it get to a situation whereby the messages were seen by police officers, but no one followed up? i don t know what the workload was in the north west at that l time, but i imagine. it was very, very high. however, the bit that - i struggle with is, this is not difficult intelligence to exploit. - and if we re investigating terrorists, you know, i we want to investigate their networks. - i find that inexplicable. m15 say they didn t receive this intelligence before the attack. and it wasn t until the year after the bombing that police identified abedi was behind the messages. lord anderson s 2017 report found gaps in the way intelligence was shared between agencies. it s the sort of thing that involves different organisations working together in an efficient way. and it s the sort of thing that we made recommendations about because it wasn t working as well as it should. but in your opinion, do you think that should have been in place, with the history that we ve had up to 2017?
open question as i was concerned, that was an open question- as i was concerned, that was an open question. after mi5 closed their investigation open question. after mi5 closed their investigation of open question. after mi5 closed their investigation of abedi i open question. after mi5 closed their investigation of abedi in i their investigation of abedi in 2014, he went on to visit abdul ralph abdullah in prison, a man convicted of terror offences. despite this, abedi was still not considered a risk to national security. when you go to one of national security. when you go to one of our national security. when you go to one of our prisons national security. when you go to one of our prisons in - national security. when you go to one of our prisons in this i to one of our prisons in this country, new bits of the person that he did, on a number of occasions, plus making phone calls to this person, that should have been a triggerfor mis. i should have been a trigger for mi5
exchanged with a fellow extremist. exchanged with a fellow extremist. , ., ., , extremist. every day on every kneeling. extremist. every day on every kneeling. i extremist. every day on every kneeling, i ask extremist. every day on every kneeling, i ask my extremist. every day on every kneeling, i ask my lord i extremist. every day on every kneeling, i ask my lord for. kneeling, i ask my lord for martyrdom. that is totally the sort martyrdom. that is totally the sort of martyrdom. that is totally the sort of language or expect to see coming out of extremist. 14 messages see coming out of extremist. 14 messages a day, over 1000 in a month messages a day, over 1000 in a month. there is an intensity to that month. there is an intensity to that conversation. that conversation. although olice that conversation. although police had that conversation. although police had used that conversation. although police had used the - that conversation. although i police had used
inside m15. i personally have a - problem with our government and mis, in problem with our government and m15, in the handling of the opd family prior to 2017, and the opportunities missed abedi. it was an appalling atrocity, we spend it was an appalling atrocity, we spend £3 it was an appalling atrocity, we spend £3 billion - it was an appalling atrocity, we spend £3 billion on - we spend £3 billion on counterterrorism - we spend £3 billion on counterterrorism a - we spend £3 billion onl counterterrorism a year we spend £3 billion on - counterterrorism a year and that counterterrorism a year and that 90 counterterrorism a year and that 90 didn t counterterrorism a year and that 90 didn t work. - counterterrorism a year and that 90 didn t work. m15- that 90 didn t work. mi5 admitted that 90 didn t work. mi5 admitted to that 90 didn t work. mi5 admitted to me - that 90 didn t work. mi5 admitted to me at - that 90 didn t work. mi5 admitted to me at least| that 90 di
it was hectic. yeah, it was chaos, basically. and then i phoned the police. ijust kept on screaming to send everything and everybody to the arena, to the foyer. there s been an explosion. paul saw saffie and tried to comfort her. i told her not to worry, i asked her her name and i told her not to worry and that more help was going to come in a minute and, yeah. as time went on, did you think, you know, where are the ambulances? they re not here. was it beginning to worry you? it was definitely beginning to worry that nobody was there. there was no medics or. no, no, no. it was definitely worrying me. 26 minutes after the explosion, paul helped carry saffie to the street on an advertising board. saffie was the first person to be taken to hospital after an ambulance heading to the arena was flagged down. saffie s main injuries - were to her legs, particularly